FY2026Q1 电话会逐字稿
发言人
点击某位发言人,只突出显示其发言;再次点击恢复| 姓名 | 职位 | 机构 | 段落 |
|---|---|---|---|
| Kelly Ortberg | President and CEO | Boeing | 35 |
| Jay Malave | EVP and CFO | Boeing | 28 |
| Operator | 12 | ||
| Eric Hill | VP of Investor Relations | Boeing | 1 |
| Noah Poponak | Managing Director of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research | Goldman Sachs | 4 |
| David Strauss | Managing Director of Equity Research in Aerospace and Defense | Wells Fargo | 4 |
| Doug Harned | Senior Global Aerospace and Defense Analyst | Bernstein | 3 |
| Peter Arment | Senior Research Analyst | Baird | 3 |
| Sheila Kahyaoglu | Managing Director in Equity Research | Jefferies | 2 |
| Ron Epstein | Managing Director in Americas Equity Research | Bank of America | 2 |
| Myles Walton | Managing Director | Wolfe Research | 2 |
| Seth Seifman | Aerospace and Defense Equity Analyst | JPMorgan | 2 |
| Gautam Khanna | Aerospace and Defense Equity Analyst | TD Cowen | 2 |
| John Godyn | Equity Analyst | Citi | 1 |
● 公司管理层 / 主持人 ● 外部分析师
P00100:00
Operator
Thank you for standing by. Good day, everyone, and welcome to The Boeing Company’s first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Please be advised that today’s call is being recorded. The management discussion and slide presentation, plus the analyst question and answer session, are being broadcast live over the Internet. To ask a question on today’s call, please press star then 1 on your telephone. At this time, I am turning the call over to Mr. Erik Carlson, Vice President of Investor Relations, for opening remarks and introductions. Mr. Carlson, please go ahead.
感谢各位的耐心等待。大家好,欢迎参加波音公司 2026 年第一季度财报电话会议。目前所有参会者均处于只听模式。请注意,今天的会议正在录音。管理层讨论与幻灯片演示以及分析师问答环节正在通过互联网进行现场直播。如需在今天的电话会议上提问,请按电话上的星号键再按 1。现在,我将把电话交给投资者关系副总裁 Erik Carlson 先生(注:应为 Eric Hill)作开场致辞和介绍。Carlson 先生,请讲。
P00200:34
Eric HillVP of Investor Relations
Thank you and good morning. Welcome to Boeing's quarterly earnings call. With me today are Kelly Ortberg, Boeing's President and Chief Executive Officer, and Jay Malave, Boeing's Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. This quarter's webcast, earnings release, and presentation, which include relevant disclosures and non-GAAP reconciliations, are available on our website. Today's discussion includes forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties, including the ones described in our SEC filings. As always, we will leave time at the end of the call for analyst questions. With that, I will turn the call over to Kelly Ortberg.
谢谢,大家早上好。欢迎参加波音的季度财报电话会议。今天与我一同参会的有波音总裁兼首席执行官 Kelly Ortberg,以及波音执行副总裁兼首席财务官 Jay Malave。本季度的网络直播、财报新闻稿和演示文稿(其中包括相关披露信息及非公认会计准则调节表)均可在我们的网站上查阅。今天的讨论包含前瞻性陈述,这些陈述受风险和不确定性因素的影响,包括我们在向美国证券交易委员会(SEC)提交的文件中所描述的风险和不确定性。与往常一样,我们将在电话会议最后留出时间回答分析师提问。下面,我将把电话交给 Kelly Ortberg。
P00301:12
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Thank you, Eric, and good morning, everyone. Thanks for joining in today's call. As we reflect on our first quarter performance today, we're off to a really good start and headed in the right direction. We remain on plan and are building momentum from solid performance across all three of our businesses. Our Commercial Airplanes team continues to integrate our safety and quality plan into its operations, which has enabled us to increase production rates and deliver high-quality airplanes to customers around the world. Our Defense and Space team continues to stabilize operations, and after two years of hard work and development, we're starting to achieve inspiring milestones, like the recent Artemis II launch that carried NASA astronauts to space on the Boeing-built core stage rocket.
谢谢你,Eric,大家早上好。感谢各位参加今天的电话会议。今天回顾我们第一季度的表现,我们取得了非常好的开局,并正朝着正确的方向前进。我们仍按计划推进,并凭借全部三大业务的稳健表现不断积聚势头。我们的商用飞机团队继续将安全与质量计划融入运营之中,这使我们得以提高生产速率,并向全球客户交付高质量的飞机。我们的防务与空间团队继续稳定运营,经过两年的努力工作和开发,我们开始取得令人鼓舞的里程碑,例如最近的 Artemis II 发射任务,由波音制造的芯级火箭搭载美国国家航空航天局(NASA)宇航员升空。
P00402:03
The launch and landing were truly profound moments as humans reached farther into space than ever before and serves as a great reminder of what Boeing, our industry partners, and our country can do. In Boeing Global Services, our team is off to a strong start, adding further orders to its record backlog, meeting customer demand, and continuing to deliver solid operating results. While we are seeing some regional instability as a function of the Iran war, we remain confident in the long-term future of our industry. Aviation has seen moments like this before, whether it be recession, pandemic, or conflict. The resilience of our industry has always led to a recovery and return to growth trends. Our market remains robust, and the Boeing portfolio of versatile, fuel-efficient airplanes, defense platforms, and services is built for the dynamic environment of our time.
这次发射和着陆是真正意义深远的时刻,人类抵达了比以往任何时候都更深远的太空,这也很好地提醒了我们波音、我们的行业合作伙伴以及我们的国家所能取得的成就。在波音全球服务分部(BGS),我们的团队开局强劲,在创纪录的积压订单基础上进一步增加了新订单,满足了客户需求,并继续交出稳健的经营业绩。尽管受伊朗战争影响,我们看到了一些地区不稳定性,但我们对行业的长期未来依然充满信心。航空业以前也经历过类似的时刻,无论是经济衰退、疫情还是冲突。我们行业的韧性总是能带来复苏并重回增长趋势。我们的市场依然强劲,波音由多用途、高燃油效率的飞机、防务平台和服务组成的产品组合,正是为我们这个时代的动态环境而打造的。
P00503:07
So far, we have not seen any impact on our airplane deliveries. As always, we stay close to our commercial customers if they make adjustments to their plans, in which case I think the strength and diversity of our backlog gives us a lot of flexibility. I should note, we're already seeing higher demand in our defense business given the increased operational tempo, which over time will be a good offset to any potential commercial MRO weakness that results from these higher fuel prices. We are confident in our business, customers, and markets, and our team remains squarely focused on safety and quality, disciplined execution, and elevating operational performance so we can profitably deliver on our record backlog of nearly $700 billion. As I mentioned last quarter, one of the biggest focus areas for our team in 2026 is completing the certification work on our development programs.
到目前为止,我们尚未看到飞机交付受到任何影响。与往常一样,如果商用客户调整计划,我们会与他们保持密切沟通;在这种情况下,我认为我们积压订单的实力和多样性为我们提供了很大的灵活性。我应该指出,鉴于作战节奏加快,我们的防务业务已经看到了更高的需求,随着时间推移,这将很好地抵消油价上涨可能导致的商用飞机维修、大修及运行(MRO)业务潜在疲软。我们对自身的业务、客户和市场充满信心,我们的团队仍坚定专注于安全与质量、严格的执行以及提升运营表现,从而能够实现盈利地交付我们近 7000 亿美元的创纪录积压订单。正如我上季度所提到的,我们团队在 2026 年最大的重点领域之一是完成各开发项目的取证工作。
P00604:08
This is where I'll spend a few moments before discussing our first quarter accomplishments. In BCA, we continue to move forward on certification work for the 737-7 and the 737-10. In the quarter, we began the final phases of the certification and flight tests for the 737-10, which includes auto-throttle, autopilot, enhanced angle of attack, as well as engine anti-ice solution. We're pleased with the progress so far and remain on plan for the newest members of the 737 MAX family to be certified later this year, with deliveries expected to start in 2027. On the 777-9, we continue to advance our certification testing. Last month, we received approval from the FAA for the next phase of testing called TIA 4A. While it's a smaller package focused on natural ice testing, it's an important step in moving this development program forward.
在讨论第一季度的工作成果之前,我将先花一点时间谈谈这方面的情况。在商用飞机分部(BCA),我们继续推进 737-7 和 737-10 的取证工作。本季度,我们启动了 737-10 取证和飞行测试的最后阶段,其中包括自动油门、自动驾驶仪、增强型迎角系统以及发动机防冰解决方案。我们对目前的进展感到满意,并仍按计划推进,预计 737 MAX 家族的这两款最新成员将于今年晚些时候获得取证,并预计于 2027 年开始交付。在 777-9 方面,我们继续推进取证测试。上个月,我们获得了美国联邦航空管理局(FAA)对下一阶段测试(即 TIA 4A)的批准。虽然这是一个侧重于自然结冰测试的较小测试包,但它是推动这一开发项目向前迈出的重要一步。
P00705:10
You'll recall last quarter we discussed a potential durability issue on the 777X engine that was discovered during an inspection. Since then, we've worked closely with our supplier. As they've said yesterday, they believe they have identified root cause, and they're working on finalizing their modification. We are working together with the supplier and the FAA to fold this into our certification plan, and we remain on track for schedule of first delivery in 2027. In the quarter, we also achieved an important milestone on the 787 program. We obtained FAA certification for an increased maximum takeoff weight for the 787-9 and the 787-10, enabling those models to fly further or carry more cargo, creating additional value and revenue-generating opportunities for our 787 operators. In BDS, work to reduce risk across our development programs using active management is leading to win-win outcomes for our customers and Boeing.
大家还记得,上个季度我们讨论了在一次检查中发现的 777X 发动机潜在耐久性问题。从那以后,我们与供应商进行了密切合作。正如他们昨天所说,他们认为已经找到了根本原因,并正在加紧敲定改进方案。我们正与供应商和 FAA 共同努力,将其纳入我们的取证计划,并且我们仍按计划推进,预计于 2027 年实现首架交付。本季度,我们在 787 项目上也取得了一个重要里程碑。我们获得了 FAA 对提高 787-9 和 787-10 最大起飞重量的取证批准,使这两款机型能够飞得更远或装载更多货物,从而为我们的 787 运营商创造更多价值和创收机会。在防务、空间与安全分部(BDS),通过主动管理来降低各开发项目风险的工作,正在为我们的客户和波音带来双赢的结果。
P00806:17
This means we're proactively working challenging programs by looking more closely at risk, requirements, schedules, and customer needs. Combined with stronger focus on program management rigor, we're seeing good progress here. For example, on KC-46 Tanker, we recently approached our best ever factory performance, going back to pre-pandemic levels of productivity, and we remain on track this year to deliver the most tanker aircraft since 2019. We also achieved an important milestone on MQ-25 with completion of high-speed taxi tests, and the first flight is imminent. The Stingray is our first unmanned aerial refueler for the U.S. Navy. We are now one step closer to providing this first-of-its-kind capability to further enable the U.S. to project power worldwide. Overall, I'm pleased with the progress our BDS development programs are making, and there are no major EAC adjustments. Let's turn now to the first quarter accomplishments.
这意味着我们正通过更密切地审视风险、需求、进度和客户需要,主动推进具有挑战性的项目。结合对项目管理严谨性的更强关注,我们在这方面看到了良好的进展。例如,在 KC-46 加油机项目上,我们最近接近了有史以来最好的工厂表现,生产率回到了疫情前的水平,并且我们今年仍按计划推进,有望交付自 2019 年以来数量最多的加油机。我们在 MQ-25 项目上也取得了一个重要里程碑,完成了高速滑行测试,首飞即将进行。Stingray 是我们为美国海军打造的首款无人空中加油机。我们现在离提供这一首创能力又近了一步,这将进一步支持美国在全球范围内投射力量。总体而言,我对防务、空间与安全分部(BDS)各开发项目所取得的进展感到满意,且没有重大的完工成本估计(EAC)调整。现在让我们来看看第一季度的工作成果。
P00907:25
As we start the year, we continue to drive stable operations across our factories, enabled by a focus on safety, quality, and performance. Our team is more engaged in embracing our values and behaviors, which we first shared with our team around this time last year. That increased commitment is helping drive process improvement ideas. As an example, I just reviewed one from Renton where the team developed a new drill jig, resulting in more than 30% reduction in defects per 737 wing tip. In BCA, Stephanie and her team are methodically increasing production rates across our key commercial programs. The 737 program has stabilized at a rate of 42 airplanes per month, and in the quarter, we also delivered the final 737 MAX from storage. As previously discussed, some first quarter 737 deliveries slid into the second quarter due to a recent nonconformance finding on aircraft wiring.
在开年之际,我们依托对安全、质量和绩效的专注,继续在各个工厂推动稳定的运营。我们的团队更加积极地践行情怀、价值观与行为准则,这些准则大约在去年这个时候首次与团队分享。投入度的提高正在帮助推动流程改进构想。举个例子,我刚刚审阅了 Renton 工厂的一个案例,团队开发了一种新的钻孔夹具,使每个 737 翼尖的缺陷减少了 30% 以上。在商用飞机分部(BCA),Stephanie 和她的团队正在有条不紊地提高重点商用项目的生产速率。737 项目的生产速率已稳定在每月 42 架,而且在本季度,我们还交付了最后一架库存中的 737 MAX。正如之前所讨论的,由于近期发现飞机布线存在不符合项,部分第一季度的 737 交付推迟到了第二季度。
P01008:27
As part of our root cause corrective action process, we fully understand the issue, and we have reworked all of the 25 airplanes affected, and most of these have already been delivered. Importantly, this is evidence of our safety management system working to identify issues early and drive continuous improvement and avoid these issues in the future. To be clear, the wiring issue will not affect our full-year delivery goals or plans to increase production to 47 per month this summer. We believe our internal and external supply chains are well-positioned for this next rate increase. To support further planned rate ramps above 47 per month, we are readying the new Everett North Line. I recently walked the factory, where I saw construction complete and tooling in place. Our teams setting up the line are eager to get started, and we started hiring and training.
作为根本原因纠正措施流程的一部分,我们已完全查明该问题,并完成了全部 25 架受影响飞机的返工,其中大部分已经交付。重要的是,这证明了我们的安全管理体系正在发挥作用,能够及早发现问题、推动持续改进并避免未来再次出现此类问题。需要明确的是,布线问题不会影响我们的全年交付目标,也不会影响今年夏季将生产速率提高至每月 47 架的计划。我们认为,我们的内部和外部供应链已为下一次提产做好了充分准备。为了支持进一步将计划生产速率提升至每月 47 架以上,我们正在筹备新的 Everett 北线(North Line)。我最近走访了这家工厂,看到厂房建设已经完成,工装夹具也已到位。负责搭建生产线的团队干劲十足、跃跃欲试,我们已经开始了招聘和培训。
P01109:25
Employees for the North Line will complete structured on-the-job training, which will pair new mechanics with experienced teammates from our existing Renton line. On the 787 program, we did see some impact to deliveries in the quarter due to delays of premium seat certifications, but we still expect to meet our full-year delivery range of 90-100 airplanes. We're staying close to our customers, suppliers, and regulators to work through these seating issues, and Jay will talk a little bit more about the actions we're taking to better manage these impacts going forward. On production, the program continues to stabilize at 8 per month as we work through selected supply chain delays, including interiors and engines. Overall, the factory is performing well, and the program continues preparations to increase production to 10 airplanes per month later this year.
北线(North Line)的员工将完成结构化的在职培训,培训将把新机务人员与来自现有 Renton 生产线的经验丰富的队友配对。在 787 项目上,由于高端座椅取证延迟,本季度的交付确实受到了一些影响,但我们预计仍将实现全年 90 至 100 架飞机的交付区间。我们正与客户、供应商和监管机构保持密切沟通以解决这些座椅问题,Jay 稍后还会多谈谈我们为更好管理未来此类影响所采取的措施。在生产方面,随着我们逐步解决包括内饰和发动机在内的部分供应链延迟问题,该项目继续稳定在每月 8 架的生产速率。总体而言,工厂运行良好,该项目正继续为今年晚些时候将生产速率提高到每月 10 架做准备。
P01210:19
Like the 737 program, the 787 team will use the same disciplined process guided by our safety and quality plan with data from the six key performance indicators to assess readiness ahead of planned rate increases. Turning now to BDS, where our defense platforms are providing unique value and capability to our customers, particularly in the current threat environment. Over the past two months, we've seen much of our defense portfolio support key missions in theater. For example, the AH-64 Apache has proven its potent anti-drone capabilities, and the Patriot Advanced Capability-3 interceptor with its Boeing-built seeker has intercepted ballistic missiles and drones threatening civilians and military forces. Boeing systems remain central to air superiority, precision strikes, and electronic warfare, while long-range strike and airborne command and control extend reach and situational awareness.
与 737 项目一样,787 团队将采用相同的严谨流程,以我们的安全与质量计划为指导,在计划提产前利用六项关键绩效指标的数据来评估准备情况。现在转向防务、空间与安全分部(BDS),我们的防务平台正在为客户提供独特的价值和能力,尤其是在当前的威胁环境下。在过去两个月里,我们看到防务产品组合中的许多产品在战区支持了关键任务。例如,AH-64 Apache 证明了其强大的反无人机能力,配备波音制造导引头的 Patriot Advanced Capability-3(爱国者-3)拦截弹拦截了威胁平民和军事力量的弹道导弹和无人机。波音系统依然是制空权、精确打击和电子战的核心,而远程打击和机载指挥控制系统则延伸了作战半径并提升了态势感知能力。
P01311:21
Our aerial refueling, reconnaissance, and strategic airlift sustain high-tempo operations, and we're proud that our Combat Survivor Evader Locator system and the Little Bird helicopter played a key part in the heroic mission that safely returned downed pilots. We continue to make investments in our people and facilities to meet the evolving need of the United States and our allies. Those investments help secure wins like the recently announced agreement to expand PAC-3 seeker production in our Huntsville factory. The framework agreement with the Department of Defense enables a massive increase in the supply of seekers needed to expand the protection provided by the world's most advanced air-defense system.
我们的空中加油、侦察和战略空运支撑着高节奏的作战行动,而且我们感到自豪的是,我们的战斗幸存者规避定位系统(Combat Survivor Evader Locator)和 Little Bird 直升机在安全营救被击落飞行员的英勇任务中发挥了关键作用。我们继续对员工和设施进行投资,以满足美国及盟友不断变化的需求。这些投资帮助我们赢得了多项订单,例如最近宣布的在 Huntsville 工厂扩大 PAC-3 导引头生产的协议。与美国国防部签署的这项框架协议,使导引头供应量得以大幅增加,从而扩大这一全球最先进防空系统所提供的保护范围。
P01412:07
The current demand environment for defense extends into services as well, and BGS has had several notable wins, including Boeing Defence UK's largest ever maintenance and support contract for the UK's Rotary Wing Enterprise, which was announced last week. Our global services team also signed the largest landing gear exchange contract in Boeing's history with Singapore Airlines. That agreement will provide landing gear exchanges for more than 75 airplanes across Singapore's 737 MAX and 787 fleets. With these recent program wins and operational improvements in all of our segments, we're well on our way to fully putting the recovery behind us. Before I wrap up my prepared remarks, I want to thank all of our employees for delivering another quarter of improved performance as we continue to turn the corner.
当前防务领域的需求环境也延伸到了服务业务,全球服务分部(BGS)取得了几项重要订单胜利,包括上周宣布的波音防务英国公司(Boeing Defence UK)有史以来最大的英国旋翼机部队(Rotary Wing Enterprise)维护与支持合同。我们的全球服务团队还与新加坡航空公司签署了波音历史上规模最大的起落架交换合同。该协议将为新加坡航空 737 MAX 和 787 机队中超过 75 架飞机提供起落架交换服务。凭借近期赢得的这些项目以及所有分部的运营改善,我们正在顺利推进,有望彻底走出恢复期。在结束我的准备发言之前,我要感谢全体员工,在我们继续迎来转机之际又交出了一个业绩改善的季度。
P01513:01
Their dedication to safety and quality, embracing our values and behaviors, and continuous improvement have enabled a solid start to the year. While there's more to do in 2026, we're making measurable progress. We're restoring trust with our customers, we're increasing production rates, and we're on track to generate a full year of positive cash flow. Our commercial defense and service portfolios are well-positioned to meet the market demands and restore Boeing to the iconic company we all know. Now I'll turn it over to Jay to discuss our operating results before we move on to questions.
他们对安全与质量的奉献、对我们价值观与行为准则的践行以及持续改进,促成了今年的良好开局。尽管 2026 年还有更多工作要做,但我们正在取得可衡量的进展。我们正在恢复客户的信任,提高生产速率,并按计划推进以实现全年正现金流。我们的商用、防务和服务产品组合已做好充分准备,能够满足市场需求,并让波音恢复成为大家所熟知的那家标志性公司。现在,在进入提问环节之前,我将把时间交给 Jay 来讨论我们的经营业绩。
P01613:39
Jay MalaveEVP and CFO
Thanks, Kelly, and good morning, everyone. As Kelly mentioned, a good start to the year and a clean quarter. Consolidated revenue was up 14% to $22.2 billion, driven by solid growth across all three segments. Of note, the revenue impacts from last year's Spirit acquisition and Digital Aviation Solutions divestiture largely offset each other in the quarter. Operating margin was 2%, down primarily from lower FAS/CAS pension adjustment as compared to last year, partially offset by higher segment earnings. The core loss per share of $0.20 improved from last year on segment growth and other non-operating earnings improvements. Free cash flow was a usage of $1.5 billion in the quarter, driven by seasonal corporate expenditures in addition to planned CapEx increases as we continue to make progress on our growth investments in St. Louis and Charleston.
谢谢你,Kelly,大家早上好。正如 Kelly 所提到的,今年开局良好,本季度表现干净利落。合并营收增长 14% 至 222 亿美元,由全部三个分部的稳健增长所推动。值得注意的是,去年收购 Spirit AeroSystems 与剥离数字航空解决方案(Digital Aviation Solutions)业务对本季度营收的影响大体相互抵消。营业利润率为 2%,同比下降主要是由于财务会计准则/成本会计准则(FAS/CAS)养老金调整项低于去年同期,但部分被分部盈利增加所抵消。核心每股亏损为 0.20 美元,凭借分部增长及其他非经营性收益的改善,较去年同期有所好转。本季度自由现金流为流出 15 亿美元,受季节性公司支出以及随着我们继续推进在 St. Louis 和 Charleston 的增长投资而按计划增加的资本开支所驱动。
P01714:34
The cash flow was notably better than expectations I shared last month, largely driven by the solid recovery from the 737 wiring issue and favorable collection timing late in the quarter. Turning to BCA on the next page. BCA delivered 143 airplanes in the quarter. Revenue of $9.2 billion was up 13%, as Stephanie and her team continuously derive quality improvements while increasing delivery volume. Operating margin of -6.1% improved compared to last year, primarily driven by higher delivery volume and a favorable accounting adjustment, partially offset by the dilutive impact of the Spirit AeroSystems acquisition that we highlighted last quarter. Regarding our customers in the Middle East, as Kelly noted, at this time, we have not seen any requests for delivery deferrals, nor have we encountered material supply chain disruptions that would impact our delivery or production rate plans.
现金流表现明显好于我上个月分享的预期,这主要得益于从 737 布线问题中的稳健恢复以及季度末有利的回款时间节点。翻到下一页看商用飞机分部(BCA)。商用飞机分部(BCA)本季度交付了 143 架飞机。随着 Stephanie 和她的团队在提高交付量的同时持续推动质量提升,营收增长 13% 至 92 亿美元。营业利润率为 -6.1%,较去年同期有所改善,主要由交付量增加和一项有利的会计调整所推动,但部分被我们上季度重点提到的收购 Spirit AeroSystems 所带来的摊薄影响所抵消。关于我们在中东地区的客户,正如 Kelly 所指出的,目前我们尚未收到任何推迟交付的请求,也没有遇到会影响我们交付或生产速率计划的重大供应链中断。
P01815:31
In fact, we delivered 4 airplanes as planned to customers in that region since the conflict began. That said, we will continue to monitor the situation. Importantly, backlogs continue to grow and remains at an all-time high of $576 billion, including over 6,100 airplanes. Now drilling down to the commercial programs. Starting with the 737 program, where we delivered 114 airplanes in the quarter, which included the final shadow factory airplane built prior to 2023. As Kelly mentioned, we completed the rework on all 25 airplanes impacted by the wiring NOE, and we remain on track to deliver 500 airplanes this year. In the quarter, production stabilized at a rate of 42 per month, and the team drove a nearly 20% reduction in final assembly rework hours as compared to the first quarter of 2025.
事实上,自冲突开始以来,我们已按计划向该地区的客户交付了 4 架飞机。尽管如此,我们将继续密切关注局势发展。重要的是,积压订单继续增长,并保持在 5760 亿美元的历史最高水平,其中包括超过 6100 架飞机。现在深入看看各个商用项目。首先是 737 项目,本季度我们交付了 114 架飞机,其中包括 2023 年之前制造的最后一架“影子工厂”(库存)飞机。正如 Kelly 所提到的,我们完成了受布线不符合项通知(NOE)影响的全部 25 架飞机的返工,并且我们仍按计划推进,预计今年交付 500 架飞机。本季度,生产速率稳定在每月 42 架,且与 2025 年第一季度相比,团队将总装返工工时减少了近 20%。
P01916:24
We continue to expect a production increase to 47 per month in Renton this summer and will benefit from buffer inventory during this transition. As we discussed previously, production rate increases above 47 per month will be enabled by activating the 737 North Line in Everett. The North Line is expected to begin operations later this year at a low rate of initial production to demonstrate conformity to the FAA that will allow operations under our current production certificate. Following completion of these initial units, we will be led by our safety and quality plan to increase rate to 52 per month when the entire production system is ready. On the 787, we delivered 15 airplanes in the quarter, in line with expectations shared last month, and remain on track to deliver 90-100 airplanes in the year.
我们继续预计今年夏季 Renton 工厂的生产速率将提高到每月 47 架,并在这一过渡期间受益于缓冲库存。正如我们之前所讨论的,将生产速率提高到每月 47 架以上将通过启用位于 Everett 的 737 北线(North Line)来实现。北线预计将于今年晚些时候以低速率初始生产状态开始运营,以向 FAA 证明其符合性,从而获准在我们现有的生产许可证下运营。在完成这些初始飞机后,我们将以安全与质量计划为指导,在整个生产系统准备就绪时将生产速率提高到每月 52 架。在 787 项目上,我们本季度交付了 15 架飞机,符合上个月分享的预期,并且全年仍按计划推进,预计交付 90 至 100 架飞机。
P02017:15
Although seat certifications impacted deliveries in the quarter, we are working with the FAA and our customers to address these risks by partnering earlier in the development process and creating contractual off-ramps to avoid delivery delays in the future. In Charleston, the factory's performing well and continuing to make progress at stabilizing the production rate at 8 per month. In the quarter, our rework hours improved by more than 25% as compared to the first quarter of 2025. These gains in the factory come even as our stability is being paced by the supply chain, where we don't enjoy the same buffer we have on 737. We are closely working with our suppliers, including forward deploying resources to support their recovery plans. We continue to expect an increase to 10 per month later this year.
尽管座椅取证影响了本季度的交付,但我们正与 FAA 和客户合作,通过在开发流程更早阶段开展合作并设立合同退出机制(off-ramps)来应对这些风险,以避免未来的交付延迟。在 Charleston,工厂表现良好,并在将生产速率稳定在每月 8 架方面继续取得进展。本季度,与 2025 年第一季度相比,我们的返工工时改善了 25% 以上。即便我们的生产稳定性正受制于供应链进度(在 787 上我们没有像 737 那样的缓冲库存),工厂仍然取得了这些进步。我们正与供应商密切合作,包括向前线派驻资源以支持他们的恢复计划。我们继续预计今年晚些时候将生产速率提高到每月 10 架。
P02118:05
Finally, on 777X, Kelly highlighted TIA 4A approval, as well as progress made with GE on a solution for the engine durability issue we highlighted last quarter. During the quarter, we successfully completed flight testing associated with handling qualities, lighting, and stability and control. We remain on track for first delivery in 2027 and continue to focus on managing the production system for increased rates. We also have a dedicated team performing the change incorporation statement of work for built airplanes, which will be completed over a number of years. All right, let's shift over to BDS on the next page. BDS delivered 29 aircraft and 1 satellite in the quarter. Revenue grew 21% to $7.6 billion, primarily driven by higher volume on KC-46 tanker, missiles and weapons, and classified programs. Spirit contributed approximately $150 million sales in the quarter.
最后,在 777X 项目上,Kelly 重点介绍了 TIA 4A 获批,以及与 GE 就我们上季度提到的发动机耐久性问题解决方案所取得的进展。本季度,我们成功完成了与操纵品质、照明以及稳定性和控制相关的飞行测试。我们仍按计划推进于 2027 年实现首架交付,并继续专注于管理生产系统以适应更高的生产速率。我们还有一支专门的团队正在对已制造完成的飞机执行变更纳入工作说明书(change incorporation statement of work),这项工作将在数年内完成。好的,让我们翻到下一页,转向防务、空间与安全分部(BDS)。防务、空间与安全分部(BDS)本季度交付了 29 架飞机和 1 颗卫星。营收增长 21% 至 76 亿美元,主要由 KC-46 加油机、导弹与武器以及机密项目的业务量增加所推动。Spirit 在本季度贡献了约 1.5 亿美元的销售额。
P02219:03
Operating margin increased 60 basis points in the quarter to 3.1% on improving operational performance. BDS booked $9 billion in orders during the quarter, including notable awards to continue E-7 Wedgetail development and additional international demand for KC-46 aircraft. Backlog grew to a record $86 billion. As I mentioned last month, I've continued my reviews of BDS and have come away impressed with the teams leading these programs. I've also generally found reasonable assumptions in our EACs. They're not without risk, and many assume improvements in front of us, but the estimates have a solid basis. On many of these legacy challenge programs, the teams have made excellent progress in retiring risk and moving these programs forward. Steve Parker and team are building on this progress, utilizing active management and increased program management rigor to drive continued gains and improved financial stability.
得益于运营表现的改善,本季度营业利润率提高了 60 个基点至 3.1%。防务、空间与安全分部(BDS)在本季度获得了 90 亿美元的新签订单,其中包括继续推进 E-7 Wedgetail 开发的重大合同以及对 KC-46 飞机的新增国际需求。积压订单增长至创纪录的 860 亿美元。正如我上个月所提到的,我继续对防务、空间与安全分部(BDS)进行审视,并对领导这些项目的团队印象深刻。我也普遍发现我们的完工成本估计(EAC)中所采用的假设是合理的。这些项目并非没有风险,而且许多估计假设了我们未来将实现的改进,但这些估计有着扎实的基础。在许多历史遗留的高挑战项目上,团队在消除风险和推进项目方面取得了出色的进展。Steve Parker 和团队正在这一进展的基础上再接再厉,利用主动管理和更严格的项目管理来推动持续改善并提高财务稳定性。
P02320:01
As Kelly's previously said, you are never done until you are done, but the team has made great progress here. As I also mentioned, a key part of our ongoing reviews of the BDS portfolio is focused on strategy and growth. It's clear to me that our defense portfolio is well-positioned to capture upside from increased operational tempo and rising defense budgets among the U.S. and our allies. We see incremental growth opportunities from our missiles and weapon systems, including PAC-3, Small Diameter Bomb, and JDAMs, as well as exquisite capability offered by platforms such as P-8, F-15EX, and other proven solutions where we are investing to ramp up production. While we pursue additional growth, new opportunities are now subject to tighter underwriting to account for risk and our ability to deliver on our commitments.
正如 Kelly 之前所说,不到全部完成就不算真正完成,但团队在这方面已经取得了很大进展。正如我也提到过的,我们对防务、空间与安全分部(BDS)产品组合持续审视的一个关键部分是聚焦战略与增长。在我看来很明确的是,我们的防务产品组合处于有利位置,能够把握美国及盟友作战节奏加快和国防预算上升所带来的上行空间。我们看到导弹和武器系统(包括 PAC-3、小直径炸弹(Small Diameter Bomb)和联合直接攻击弹药(JDAM))带来的增量增长机会,以及 P-8、F-15EX 等平台和其他经过验证的解决方案所提供的卓越能力,我们正在这些领域投资以扩大生产规模。在我们追求更多增长的同时,新机会现在都要接受更严格的承保评估,以充分考虑风险以及我们兑现承诺的能力。
P02420:51
This approach, combined with continued operational improvements, supports steady progress towards high single-digit operating margins as we execute against a record $86 billion backlog. Moving into Global Services on the next page. BGS continued to perform well and again delivered strong financial results in the quarter. Revenue was up 6% to $5.4 billion, primarily reflecting increased government volume. Excluding the impact of the Digital Aviation Solutions divestiture, revenue was up 13%. Operating margin of 18.1% was down from prior year, primarily related to the impact of the Digital Aviation Solutions divestiture and less favorable mix. Both commercial and government businesses delivered double-digit margins in the quarter. Also in the quarter, BGS received FAA and EASA qualification for 777-9 training devices, an important step forward in support of the airplane's entry into service next year. Chris Raymond and the BGS team remain focused on continuous improvement.
这一方法结合持续的运营改善,支持我们在执行创纪录的 860 亿美元积压订单的过程中,稳步迈向高个位数的营业利润率。翻到下一页看全球服务分部(BGS)。全球服务分部(BGS)继续表现良好,并在本季度再次交出了强劲的财务业绩。营收增长 6% 至 54 亿美元,主要反映了政府业务量的增加。剔除剥离数字航空解决方案(Digital Aviation Solutions)业务的影响,营收增长了 13%。营业利润率为 18.1%,较上年同期有所下降,主要与剥离数字航空解决方案业务的影响以及不太有利的业务组合有关。商用和政府业务在本季度均实现了两位数的利润率。此外在本季度,全球服务分部(BGS)获得了 FAA 和欧洲航空安全局(EASA)对 777-9 训练设备的资质认证,这是支持该机型明年投入运营所迈出的重要一步。Chris Raymond 和全球服务分部(BGS)团队继续专注于持续改进。
P02521:56
For example, the business has implemented automation and AI to reduce proposal cycle time by approximately 25% year to date, enabling faster response times to our customers. BGS received $8 billion of orders for a book-to-bill of 1.6 in the quarter, led by a strong intake from its government business. BGS ended the quarter with record backlog now at $33 billion and remains a high-performing business focused on profitable, capital-efficient service offerings and continues to execute very well. Okay, let's shift over to cash and debt. Cash and marketable securities ended at $20.9 billion, primarily reflecting debt repayments and free cash flow usage in the quarter. Debt balance ended at $47.2 billion, down $6.9 billion in the quarter on the pay-down of maturing debt, consistent with our debt reduction plans. There are $1.4 billion of maturities left in the year.
例如,该业务实施了自动化和人工智能(AI),年初至今已将方案报价周期缩短了约 25%,从而能够更快地响应客户。全球服务分部(BGS)在本季度获得了 80 亿美元的订单,订单出货比(book-to-bill)达到 1.6,这得益于政府业务的强劲订单流入。全球服务分部(BGS)在季度末的积压订单达到创纪录的 330 亿美元,依然是一项专注于盈利且资本高效的服务产品的高绩效业务,并继续保持非常出色的执行力。好的,让我们转向现金和债务。现金及有价证券期末余额为 209 亿美元,主要反映了本季度的债务偿还和自由现金流消耗。债务余额期末为 472 亿美元,因偿还到期债务而在本季度减少了 69 亿美元,符合我们的减债计划。今年剩余时间内还有 14 亿美元的到期债务。
P02622:55
We also maintain access to credit facilities of $10 billion, all of which remain undrawn, and we remain committed to strengthening the balance sheet and supporting our investment-grade rating. Regarding our cash flow outlook, we continue to expect positive free cash flow of $1 billion-$3 billion this year, aligned with the expectations I shared last quarter. As I said previously, we benefited from order timing in the first quarter. We expect second quarter free cash flow to improve, with the second half of the year turning positive. Of note, we assume the expected DOJ payment to occur in the second half of the year. Beyond 2026, and consistent with what we've discussed previously, cash flow is expected to grow primarily driven by higher commercial deliveries, steady performance improvements at BDS, and continued growth at BGS.
我们还保有 100 亿美元的信贷额度,目前全部未动用,且我们仍致力于强化资产负债表并维护我们的投资级评级。关于我们的现金流展望,我们继续预计今年将实现 10 亿至 30 亿美元的正自由现金流,与我上季度分享的预期一致。正如我之前所说,我们在第一季度受益于订单时间节点。我们预计第二季度自由现金流将有所改善,下半年将转为正值。值得注意的是,我们假设预计向美国司法部(DOJ)支付的款项将发生在今年下半年。2026 年以后,与我们之前的讨论一致,预计现金流将实现增长,主要由商用飞机交付量增加、防务、空间与安全分部(BDS)业绩稳步改善以及全球服务分部(BGS)持续增长所推动。
P02723:45
We continue to view the $10 billion free cash flow figure as very attainable, with significant growth beyond that into the next decade as we execute on our record backlog and benefit from continued strong market demands. Okay, let's sum it all up. A good start to the year as we continue to build on the momentum from 2025, and we're focused on steadily elevating our performance in 2026 to deliver on the long-term potential of this business. With that, let's open up the call for questions.
我们继续认为 100 亿美元的自由现金流数字是非常可实现的,并且随着我们执行创纪录的积压订单并受益于持续强劲的市场需求,在进入下一个十年后还将在该水平之上实现显著增长。好的,让我们总结一下。今年开局良好,我们继续在 2025 年的发展势头基础上再接再厉,并专注于在 2026 年稳步提升业绩表现,以兑现这项业务的长期潜力。下面,让我们开始回答提问。
问答环节
P02824:16
Operator
We will now begin the question and answer session. In the interest of time and to allow for broader participation, we ask that you limit yourself to one single part question. Our first question comes from the line of Sheila Kahyaoglu from Jefferies. Your line is open.
我们现在开始问答环节。为了节省时间并让更多人有机会参与,请每位仅限提出一个单一部分的问题。我们的第一个问题来自 Jefferies 的 Sheila Kahyaoglu。请讲。
P02924:32
Sheila KahyaogluManaging Director in Equity Research, Jefferies
Thank you. Good morning, Kelly and Jay, and congratulations on getting rates stable and looking up. I wanted to ask your thoughts on the conflict in the Middle East and potential impacts to deliveries, your commercial services and weapons businesses, and free cash flow, and just how we think about scenario planning if the conflict drags another 3 months, 6 months, or 9 months?
谢谢。早上好,Kelly 和 Jay,祝贺你们使生产速率稳定下来并呈现向好态势。我想请教你们对中东冲突的看法,以及它对飞机交付、商用服务和武器业务以及自由现金流的潜在影响;如果冲突再拖延 3 个月、6 个月或 9 个月,我们该如何考虑情景规划?
P03024:52
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Yeah, Sheila. As we said in the prepared remarks, we have seen no impact so far. No customers are requesting changes in their deliveries. As Jay said, we made deliveries in the first quarter into important customers there in the Middle East. I think the broader thing for us to watch is the overall impact of fuel prices and jet fuel price impact and whether that hits the aftermarket. As you know, we're less susceptible to aftermarket. It's a smaller part of our overall portfolio going forward. Let me come back and give you a feel for how we're exposed on OE. 14% of our unit backlog is in the Middle East for customers, but two-thirds of that backlog delivers out in 2030 and beyond. We have pretty good ability to resequence airplanes in the 12-18-month timeframe. I think we'll be okay.
好的,Sheila。正如我们在准备发言中所说,到目前为止我们尚未看到任何影响。没有任何客户要求变更交付计划。正如 Jay 所说,我们在第一季度向中东地区的重要客户进行了交付。我认为我们需要关注的更广泛问题是油价和航空燃油价格的整体影响,以及这是否会冲击售后市场。如你所知,我们受售后市场的影响较小,未来它在我们整体业务组合中所占的比例较小。让我回过头来给你介绍一下我们在新机交付(OE)方面的风险敞口。按飞机架数计算,我们积压订单中有 14% 来自中东客户,但其中三分之二的积压订单将在 2030 年及以后交付。在 12 至 18 个月的时间窗口内,我们拥有相当强的飞机交付顺序调整能力。我认为不会有问题。
P03125:56
We'll manage through that. If someone has some issues, we'll be able to resequence their airplanes. I have received calls from airline customers letting me know that they're willing to pull forward if there's any opportunity. I think the overall market dynamic will be okay for us in terms of OE deliveries. It's going to be very dynamic. I think we just need to watch particularly the flight hour and the services business that's flight hour dependent. That'll be the first indicator of any impact in our aftermarket. I'm encouraged with the near-term performance in our defense aftermarket. Hopefully, as I said in my remarks, we'll see some upside there, probably offset some of the downside if we see it in commercial, and we'll see the relative timing of those ups and downs. I'm not too worried about it right now.
我们会妥善应对。如果有客户遇到问题,我们能够重新调整其飞机的交付顺序。我已经接到了几家航空公司客户的电话,告诉我如果有机会的话,他们愿意将交付时间提前。因此,我认为就新机交付(OE)而言,整体市场动态对我们来说没有问题。局势会非常动态变化。我认为我们尤其需要关注飞行小时数以及与飞行小时数挂钩的服务业务,那将是我们售后市场受到任何影响的首要风向标。我对防务售后市场的近期表现感到鼓舞。正如我在发言中所说,希望我们能在防务领域看到一些上行空间,这很可能会抵消商用领域可能出现的部分下行影响,我们将观察这两方面增减变化的相对时间节奏。我目前对此并不太担心。
P03226:54
Obviously, the big question is how long does the war last? I can't answer that. We'll just have to watch it and manage as things happen.
显然,最大的问题是这场战争会持续多久?这个问题我无法回答。我们只能密切观察,并随着事态发展随机应变。
P03327:07
Sheila KahyaogluManaging Director in Equity Research, Jefferies
Great. Thank you.
太好了,谢谢。
P03427:10
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Ronald Epstein from Bank of America. Your line is open.
下一个问题来自美国银行的 Ronald Epstein。请讲。
P03527:16
Ron EpsteinManaging Director in Americas Equity Research, Bank of America
Yeah. Hey. Good morning, guys. You both spent a fair amount of time on the call talking about the defense business, and I was wondering if we could maybe dig down deeper on the defense portfolio, both in terms of new product sales and in the services business, what you're seeing there, and where are other potential areas of growth that you didn't highlight in your prepared remarks?
好的,早上好,各位。你们二位在电话会议上都花了不少时间谈论防务业务,我想我们能否更深入地探讨一下防务产品组合,包括在新产品销售和服务业务两方面你们看到了什么趋势,以及还有哪些在准备发言中没有重点提及的潜在增长领域?
P03627:41
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Yeah. Ron, I'd put it in two categories. One is our product lines and portfolio are very much being utilized in the current war environment. Anytime you see that kind of op tempo, we're going to see service uptick associated with servicing those platforms. By the way, we're very proud of our platforms. We've got teams of people in the Middle East supporting our customers in very dynamic situations. We're really proud of those folks as well. Then you look at the overall, just I'll say the defense budget increase, and I look at our portfolio, and we're really well-positioned for that. Let me give you a couple examples of areas where I think this new defense budget is going to benefit as well. F-47, we see $5 billion in the budget for F-47. KC-46, increase in KC-46 production, $4 billion. F-15EX, $3 billion.
好的,Ron,我会将其分为两类。第一类是我们的产品线和产品组合在当前的战争环境中正被大量投入使用。每当出现这种作战节奏时,与维护这些平台相关的服务业务就会出现增长。顺便说一句,我们对自己的平台感到非常自豪。我们在中东有多个团队在极其动态的局势下为客户提供支持,我们也为这些人员感到非常自豪。第二类,再看看整体国防预算的增加,审视我们的产品组合,我们为此做好了非常充分的准备。让我给你举几个我认为新国防预算将会带来利好的领域。在 F-47 项目上,我们看到预算中有 50 亿美元用于 F-47。在 KC-46 项目上,用于增加 KC-46 生产的预算有 40 亿美元。F-15EX 有 30 亿美元。
P03728:46
The enhanced SATCOM, strategic SATCOM of $2 billion. Massive increases in weapon systems as well. If you look at the backdrop of this, while it is funding new capability, it's really funding additional production of existing systems, which should be low risk for us. Our focus is really making sure we underwrite this growth properly with the right contract structures. We have our supply chain costs under control so that we get an opportunity here as we see increased production to actually make money on these opportunities. That's our focus. I feel like the portfolio's well-positioned, and there's no doubt that as we look at our five-year outlook for defense, we're going to see upside from what we had planned last year.
增强型卫星通信(即战略卫星通信,SATCOM)有 20 亿美元。武器系统也有大幅增加。如果你看这背后的大背景,虽然预算也在资助新能力,但它实际上主要是在资助现有系统的增产,这对我们来说应该是低风险的。我们的重点是确保以合理的合同结构妥善承保这一增长,并把控好供应链成本,从而在生产规模扩大时真正抓住机会在这些项目上赚钱。这就是我们的重点。我认为我们的产品组合处于有利位置,而且毫无疑问,当我们审视防务业务的五年展望时,我们会看到比去年规划时更高的上行空间。
P03829:41
Jay MalaveEVP and CFO
Yeah, Ron, maybe just a couple of. You look at the first quarter results, the tanker program, the classified programs, as well as missiles and weapons. We expect that to continue to drive growth this year. As a reminder, we're expecting to increase our deliveries on the tanker from around 14 last year to about 19 this year. Then as you know, on the classified programs, we've got some pretty significant content there. Going back to Kelly's comments, the beauty of our portfolio is that we participate and have exposure on shorter cycle defense platforms as well as longer term. The missiles and weapons would be where I would categorize more shorter cycle, and we certainly see some upside over the next few years in that area.
是的,Ron,我再补充几点。看看第一季度的业绩,加油机项目、机密项目以及导弹与武器表现突出,我们预计这些领域今年将继续推动增长。提醒一下,我们预计加油机的交付量将从去年的约 14 架增加到今年的约 19 架。另外如你所知,在机密项目上,我们拥有相当可观的业务份额。回到 Kelly 刚才的话,我们产品组合的优势在于我们既参与并覆盖短周期防务平台,也覆盖长周期平台。我会把导弹与武器归类为更偏短周期的业务,未来几年我们在这一领域无疑会看到一些上行空间。
P03930:23
Ron EpsteinManaging Director in Americas Equity Research, Bank of America
Great. Thank you.
太好了,谢谢。
P04030:26
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Myles Walton from Wolfe Research. Your line is open.
下一个问题来自 Wolfe Research 的 Myles Walton。请讲。
P04130:33
Myles WaltonManaging Director, Wolfe Research
Great. Thanks. Morning. Jay, could you speak to the free cash flow profile for the rest of the year, particularly if the second quarter can get close to break even? Is there any free cash flow downside risk on requests for progress payment deferrals, either from Middle East or other carriers? Is there upside free cash flow risk from the Chinese orders if those were to come to pass? Thanks.
好的,谢谢。早上好。Jay,你能否谈谈今年剩余时间的自由现金流节奏,特别是第二季度能否接近盈亏平衡?如果中东或其他航空公司要求推迟预付款或进度款(progress payment),自由现金流是否存在下行风险?另外,如果中国订单能够落地,自由现金流是否存在上行空间?谢谢。
P04230:56
Jay MalaveEVP and CFO
Sure. Let me just take you through the profile, first part of your question there, Miles. Just to reiterate the guide in terms of $1-$3 billion for the year, as I mentioned during the prepared remarks, we benefited from some timing as well as the good recovery at BCA. It's just timing in the year. We are a little bit back-end loaded, as you would expect. In the back half of the year, we'll expect to see some advances on the KC-46 program like we have seen in previous years. We'll see a little bit higher weighting towards aircraft, BCA deliveries, which will come in with higher delivery payments in the back half of the year. In the second quarter specifically, somewhat similar to last year, an outflow, but in the range of, say, low hundreds of millions of dollars.
好的,Myles,我先回答你问题的第一部分,带你梳理一下现金流节奏。首先重申一下全年 10 亿至 30 亿美元的指引;正如我在准备发言中所提到的,我们在第一季度受益于一些时间节点因素以及商用飞机分部(BCA)的良好恢复。这只是年内的时间节奏问题。正如你所预料的,我们的现金流分布略微偏向下半年。在今年下半年,就像往年一样,我们预计会收到 KC-46 项目的一些预付款。同时,商用飞机分部(BCA)的飞机交付比重在下半年会略高一些,这将在下半年带来更高的交付尾款流入。具体到第二季度,情况与去年有些相似,仍将是净流出,但规模大约在数亿美元的低段(low hundreds of millions of dollars)。
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P04331:40
As I mentioned in my prepared remarks, an improvement from where we landed here in the first quarter, continued ramp throughout the year, and we still feel very confident in that guide. As far as variability, on the upside, we had a really good start at BDS and BGS. You look at the revenue growth there. To the extent that we could continue to have strong growth, have that convert into net income, and we can keep a lid on working capital, there could be some upside in those businesses. As you know, we're highly dependent on the BCA delivery profile, so those are things that we're keeping an eye on. Those, as Kelly mentioned in his prepared remarks, that we're pretty much right on track on those. As far as experiencing any specific requests, nothing meaningful.
正如我在准备发言中所提到的,这比我们第一季度的结果有所改善,全年将持续爬坡,因此我们对这一指引依然非常有信心。至于波动因素,在上行方面,防务、空间与安全分部(BDS)和全球服务分部(BGS)取得了非常好的开局。你看那里的营收增长,只要我们能继续保持强劲增长,并将其转化为净利润,同时控制住营运资本,这两项业务就可能带来一些上行空间。如你所知,我们高度依赖商用飞机分部(BCA)的交付节奏,因此这是我们密切关注的重点。而正如 Kelly 在准备发言中所说,我们在这些交付上基本完全按计划推进。至于是否收到任何具体的推迟付款请求,目前没有任何实质性的请求。
P04432:26
To get back to Kelly's comments as far as Middle East customers, nothing meaningful in terms of requests that would cause right now any variability to our cash flow outlook. Pretty much on track, and we'll monitor obviously throughout the rest of the year, but a very good start to the year.
回到 Kelly 关于中东客户的评论,目前没有任何实质性的请求会导致我们的现金流展望出现波动。一切基本按计划推进,我们显然会在今年剩余时间里继续保持关注,但今年无疑有了一个非常好的开局。
P04532:43
Myles WaltonManaging Director, Wolfe Research
Thank you.
谢谢。
P04632:46
Operator
Our next question comes from the line of Douglas Harned from Bernstein. Your line is open.
下一个问题来自 Bernstein 的 Douglas Harned。请讲。
P04732:52
Doug HarnedSenior Global Aerospace and Defense Analyst, Bernstein
Good morning. Thank you. Kelly, I wanted to go to the 737, and you stabilized production at 42 a month. I'd like to see what you can say about the process and timeline to get to 47 and 52, and I'm highlighting 52 because that had been a challenge in 2018 for Spirit. Now that you're integrating Spirit, what are your thoughts on the timing of these next two rate breaks, and where beyond Spirit do you see some potential supply chain challenges?
早上好,谢谢。Kelly,我想谈谈 737 项目,你们已经将生产速率稳定在每月 42 架。我想听听你对提升至每月 47 架和 52 架的流程及时间表怎么看;我之所以特别强调每月 52 架,是因为 2018 年这一速率曾对 Spirit 构成挑战。既然你们现在正在整合 Spirit,你对接下来这两次提产的时间节点有何看法?除了 Spirit 之外,你还看到哪些潜在的供应链挑战?
P04833:28
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Yeah. Thanks, Doug. First of all, let me reiterate, we've done a really nice job of stabilizing at 42. That was our plan, and we've done a nice job of that. The rate increase from 42 will be done by this summer. That's our current plan. I feel pretty good about that. We still benefit, as you know, from high levels of inventory. I look at the rate 38-42 and then 42-47 as similar rate increases. We'll go through the same process that we've gone through in the prior rate increases. Where we go from 47-52, there's a couple important dynamics that are a little bit different. That's where we bring in the North Line, our fourth line of 737 production. We call it the North Line because it's in Everett as opposed to in Renton.
好的,谢谢你,Doug。首先让我重申,我们在将生产速率稳定在每月 42 架方面做得非常出色。那是我们的既定计划,而且我们完成得很好。从每月 42 架提产的工作将在今年夏季完成,这是我们目前的计划,我对此感觉相当有把握。如你所知,我们目前仍受益于较高水平的库存。在我看来,从每月 38 架提到 42 架,再从 42 架提到 47 架,属于类似的提产过程。我们将严格履行此前几次提产时所遵循的相同流程。而当我们从每月 47 架提升到 52 架时,有几个略微不同的重要动态因素。在那个阶段,我们将启用北线(North Line),也就是我们的第四条 737 生产线。之所以称之为北线,是因为它位于 Everett,而不是 Renton。
P04934:26
We're in the process now, as we talked about in the prepared remarks, of bringing that online. The capital's all in place. The facility's ready to go. We're hiring people. We're going to bring those people through the Renton production system so that they get experience in a stable environment. We're going to be moving some experienced folks from Renton up to Everett. We've got to get that all stabilized and also get the FAA authorization on that line. That'll be happening while we're producing here at 47 a month. As I've also said, once we burn down inventory, and we'll be burning that down at 52 and further rate increases beyond 52, that's where the supply chain needs to be more in line with our production rate. We won't have the levels of inventory that we had.
正如我们在准备发言中所谈到的,我们目前正在推进该生产线的投产准备工作。资本投入已全部到位,厂房设施已准备就绪,我们正在招聘人员。我们将让这些新员工先进入 Renton 生产系统跟班学习,以便他们在稳定的环境中积累经验。同时,我们也会将一些经验丰富的员工从 Renton 调往 Everett。我们必须让这一切稳定下来,并获得 FAA 对该生产线的授权。这些工作将在我们以每月 47 架的速率生产期间同步推进。正如我也提到过的,一旦我们消耗完缓冲库存——我们将在每月 52 架以及 52 架以上的后续提产过程中逐步消化这些库存——届时供应链就必须与我们的生产速率更加匹配,我们将不再拥有以前那样高水平的缓冲库存。
P05035:25
Continuing to watch the supply chain there, and we have areas that we continue to work will be a focus when we move to that next rate. Hey, let's get from 42-47 here in front of us, and as we've done on these previous rate increases, just continue to work the constraints where we see them to allow us to move to the next rate.
因此,我们将继续密切关注那里的供应链情况,在迈向下一个生产速率时,我们正在持续推进改善的领域将是关注重点。不过,眼下让我们先把生产速率从每月 42 架提升到 47 架,并像此前几次提产那样,一旦发现瓶颈就持续加以解决,从而支持我们迈向下一个生产速率。
P05135:51
Doug HarnedSenior Global Aerospace and Defense Analyst, Bernstein
Well, can you say anything about Spirit on this as you integrate?
那么在你们整合 Spirit 的过程中,能否谈谈 Spirit 在这方面的情况?
P05235:56
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Spirit's done fine. We're very pleased with the performance and the rate increases. We do still need to see some improvements in Spirit, but everything's tracking to our plan, and I would say the integration's gone well so far. Things are looking up with our Spirit integration. Yeah, Doug, just some of the quality improvements that I mentioned on my prepared remarks have been enabled by the better quality performance that we've seen coming out of Spirit. From an integration standpoint, we have biweekly meetings with the functional teams and go through the status of those teams, and everything's progressing well.
Spirit 表现不错。我们对它的表现和提产进展感到非常满意。我们确实仍需看到 Spirit 实现一些改进,但一切都在按计划推进,可以说目前的整合进展顺利,Spirit 的整合态势正在向好。(Jay Malave 补充:)是的,Doug,我在准备发言中提到的一些质量改善,正是得益于我们看到 Spirit 交付产品的质量表现有所提升。从整合角度来看,我们每两周与各职能团队举行一次会议,逐一审视各团队的进展状态,目前一切推进顺利。
P05336:36
Doug HarnedSenior Global Aerospace and Defense Analyst, Bernstein
Very good. Thank you.
非常好,谢谢。
P05436:39
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Seth Seifman from J.P. Morgan. Your line is open.
下一个问题来自摩根大通(J.P. Morgan)的 Seth Seifman。请讲。
P05536:46
Seth SeifmanAerospace and Defense Equity Analyst, JPMorgan
Hey. Thanks very much, and good morning, everyone. I heard the comments earlier on the 787, and I'm wondering if we could dig in a little bit deeper there. First on what gives you the confidence in kind of overcoming the supply chain challenges there. It seems like the line in Charleston is doing quite well, but waiting on some suppliers, particularly with seats. Then on the financial profile of the program and bringing in Spirit, and we can see some increase in the deferral during the quarter. How that moves from here and gets to the kind of healthy financial profile that we're looking for. Then lastly, maybe the long-term opportunity there with the new capacity at Renton.
大家好,非常感谢,各位早上好。我刚才听到了关于 787 项目的介绍,想看看能否在这方面再深入探讨一下。首先,是什么让你们有信心克服该项目的供应链挑战?看起来 Charleston 的生产线运行得相当不错,但正在等待部分供应商,尤其是座椅方面的供应商。其次,关于该项目的财务状况以及并入 Spirit 的影响,我们看到本季度递延生产成本有所增加,接下来会如何演变,并逐步达到我们所期待的健康财务状况?最后,能否谈谈 Renton(注:应为 Charleston)新增产能所带来的长期机遇?
P05637:40
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Okay, Seth, let me talk about production, then I'll have Jay talk about the financial performance. As you commented, we've done a good job of stabilizing as we've moved from 5 to 7 to 8 per month. A good example is, in this case, rework has improved significantly in the final assembly line, 25% improvement year-over-year. We have, as we've talked about throughout the past year, we've been struggling with getting the seat certifications complete for the new cabin configuration. If it's a new seating configuration, typically with doors, this has been an area that we've struggled. It has less impact on our factory production because we can essentially build the airplanes, it's that we can't deliver them. We've got a fair number of 787s that are held up, that are actually built, that are held up now to get seat certification.
好的,Seth,我先谈谈生产方面的情况,然后再请 Jay 谈谈财务表现。正如你所说,在我们从每月 5 架提升到 7 架再到 8 架的过程中,我们在稳定生产方面做得很好。一个很好的例子是,总装线上的返工情况显著改善,同比改善了 25%。正如我们在过去一年中一直谈到的,我们在完成新客舱布局的座椅取证方面遇到了一些困难。如果是全新的座椅布局(通常带有隐私门),这一直是我们面临挑战的领域。这对我们的工厂生产影响较小,因为我们基本上可以把飞机造出来,只是无法交付。目前我们有相当数量的 787 飞机实际上已经制造完成,但因等待完成座椅取证而滞留。
P05738:41
This is something we're just kind of getting the pig through the python. We've got to work to get this done. I don't see any showstoppers in these certifications, but it's just taking longer than we anticipated. In terms of the other supply chain performance, it's been a tough quarter in terms of engine deliveries for us. They've fallen behind a little bit. We do have a recovery plan on engines, so we've got to stay on that recovery plan to allow us to get to the next increase of 10-10 later on in the year. It is a little bit different scenario than on 737 because we don't have the inventory levels. We have resources forward deployed in our supply chain where we have constraints, and that's not unusual.
这就像是在逐步消化积压的难题(getting the pig through the python),我们必须努力把这件事办妥。我在这些取证工作中没有看到任何无法逾越的障碍,只是耗时比我们预期的要长。至于其他供应链的表现,本季度我们在发动机交付方面经历了一段艰难时期,交付进度略有落后。我们在发动机方面确实制定了恢复计划,因此我们必须紧盯这一恢复计划,以便在今年晚些时候实现向每月 10 架(原文为 10-10)的下一次提产。这与 737 的情况略有不同,因为在 787 上我们没有那样高的库存水平。我们在存在瓶颈的供应链环节向前线派驻了资源,这并不罕见。
P05839:34
We'll continue to do that to help the suppliers, where they have issues, resolve those issues to support our rate increases. A lot of work yet ahead. I think getting some of these near-term seat certs behind us will unlock our delivery. As Jay said in his prepared remarks, there's no change in our forecast in terms of number of aircraft delivery in the full year. I wish it was a little more linear than what it is, but we're working through those issues.
我们将继续这样做,在供应商遇到问题的地方帮助他们解决问题,以支持我们的提产计划。前方还有大量工作要做。我认为把近期这些座椅取证工作完成后,就能释放我们的交付能力。正如 Jay 在准备发言中所说,我们对全年飞机交付架数的预测没有变化。我希望交付节奏能比现在更加线性一些,但我们正在努力解决这些问题。
P05940:09
Jay MalaveEVP and CFO
As far as the financial profile and deferred production, Seth, we had a cost base extension, so we added to the block, which is a good thing. At higher margin additions to the block, it'll take us maybe a year or so to stabilize that and start working it back down. But all good news in terms of improving financial profile in that program.
Seth,至于财务状况和递延生产成本,我们延长了成本核算基数(cost base extension),也就是说我们扩大了会计核算批次(block)的架数,这是一件好事。由于新纳入核算批次的飞机利润率更高,我们可能需要大约一年左右的时间来使其稳定下来并开始逐步回落。但就改善该项目的财务状况而言,这些都是好消息。
P06040:32
Seth SeifmanAerospace and Defense Equity Analyst, JPMorgan
Great. Thank you.
太好了,谢谢。
P06140:35
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Peter Arment from Baird. Your line is open.
下一个问题来自 Baird 的 Peter Arment。请讲。
P06240:41
Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst, Baird
Hey, thanks. Good morning, Kelly and Jay. Nice way to start the year. Hey, Kelly, on the 777X, you mentioned the FAA last month cleared Boeing to continue to advance the program in this fourth phase out of the total of five. Can you maybe update us on your thinking on this current certification phase and what milestones any investors should be kind of tracking? Just related long-term, just given the complications that you've seen on seating and everything else, any reason to think the production system here couldn't deliver at a much higher rate than what it's averaged the last eight years of 2.5 aircraft a month? Just trying to get a better handle on the long term, just given the program delays and kind of the wide-body replenishment cycle you guys kind of see out there. Thanks.
大家好,谢谢。早上好,Kelly 和 Jay,今年的开局很不错。Kelly,关于 777X 项目,你提到上个月 FAA 批准波音继续推进该项目共五个阶段中的第四阶段。你能否向我们更新一下你对当前这一取证阶段的看法,以及投资者应当重点跟踪哪些里程碑?另外,与此相关的长期问题是,考虑到你们在座椅及其他各方面遇到的复杂情况,有没有任何理由认为这里的生产系统无法以远高于过去 8 年平均每月 2.5 架的速率进行交付?考虑到项目延迟以及你们所看到的宽体机更新换代周期,我只是想更好地把握长期前景。谢谢。
P06341:26
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Okay. Well, let's talk about the certification first. Important. We continue to make progress on this certification. I guess a couple of milestones. We got the TIA 4A authorization, which was not a super large package, but it was really important package because it had de-icing, and we want to get that de-icing done while there's still ice available in Alaska. That was a really good, important one for us to get so that we don't have to search for weather. The next one will be TIA 4B. We're expecting that very soon, and that's a pretty large package. I think watch for that milestone. Achieving 4B will be important for us to continue the flight test. As I've talked about, we had the engine issue that we identified. GE's got a fix that they're working for that.
好的,那我们先谈谈取证工作,这很重要。我们在这一取证工作上继续取得进展。我想有几个关键里程碑。我们获得了 TIA 4A 授权,这虽然不是一个非常庞大的测试包,但却是一个非常重要的测试包,因为它包含了除冰测试,我们希望在阿拉斯加还有结冰气象条件的时候完成除冰测试。因此,获得这一批准对我们来说非常及时且重要,使我们不必到处寻找结冰天气。下一个里程碑将是 TIA 4B,我们预计很快就会获得批准,那是一个相当庞大的测试包。我认为大家可以关注这一里程碑,获得 4B 批准对于我们继续推进飞行测试至关重要。正如我之前谈到的,我们发现了发动机问题,GE 已经制定了解决方案并正在推进落实。
P06442:23
that's not impacting our flight test program now. We're having to do periodic inspection, but we're able to incorporate that and keep the airplanes flying. we just have a lot of work yet to do here with this program. This is going to be a big focus area
这目前并未影响我们的飞行测试计划。我们必须进行定期检查,但我们能够将其纳入流程并保持飞机正常飞行。在这个项目上,我们还有大量工作要做。这将成为我们的一个重大重点领域——
P06542:40
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO已校正
For us in the balance of the year. GE's also working with this mid-seal issue that we've identified that'll require an update to the engines before delivery. To your production point, we're still working through the industrial plan to get all the engines upgraded to support delivery. No real change in our forecast. Then the second part of this question was around capacity.
——贯穿今年剩余的时间。GE 也正在解决我们发现的这一中密封件(mid-seal)问题,这需要在交付前对发动机进行改装升级。关于你提到的生产问题,我们仍在制定工业化实施方案,以便对所有发动机进行升级从而支持交付。我们的预测没有实质性变化。至于你问题的第二部分,是关于产能的。
P06643:11
Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst, Baird
Just long term on the production system, just the ability to deliver at a higher cadence than you currently have been running. That's all. Thanks, Kelly.
是的,就是从长期来看生产系统的情况,即能否以高于目前的节奏进行交付。就这些,谢谢你,Kelly。
P06743:19
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Look, we're targeting 5 a month. With the overall market demand and our capacity, I think that's a reasonable goal and where we expect to be.
你看,我们的目标是每月 5 架。结合整体市场需求和我们的产能来看,我认为这是一个合理的目标,也是我们预期能够达到的水平。
P06843:31
Peter ArmentSenior Research Analyst, Baird
Appreciate it, Kelly. Thanks.
非常感谢,Kelly。谢谢。
P06943:35
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Noah Poponak from Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.
下一个问题来自高盛(Goldman Sachs)的 Noah Poponak。请讲。
P07043:41
Noah PoponakManaging Director of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research, Goldman Sachs
Hey, good morning, everyone.
嘿,大家早上好。
P07143:43
Jay MalaveEVP and CFO
Morning.
早上好。
P07243:45
Noah PoponakManaging Director of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research, Goldman Sachs
Jay, you made an interesting comment on longer term free cash flow that you think you could have significant growth beyond the 10. I wondered if you would just talk about that a little more. I think we hear skeptics say, "Can they get to the 10, and then the 10 is peak because there has to be a downturn at some point or there has to be new aircraft investment at some point?" I think people who are more bullish would say the production rates are still below demand, and there's some pieces in there that are money-making eventually that are still breakeven in the 10. The 787 math is interesting. I'd just be curious to hear you talk about what gives you the confidence to make that statement and what some of the key pieces are.
Jay,你刚才就更长期的自由现金流发表了一个很有意思的观点,认为在达到 10(即 100 亿美元)之后还能实现显著增长。我想请你再多谈谈这一点。我们听到持怀疑态度的人说:“他们真能达到 10 吗?就算达到了,10 也会是峰值,因为总会遇到行业下行周期,或者总得进行新机型投资。”而更乐观的人则会说,目前的生产速率仍低于市场需求,而且在达到 10 的过程中,有一些原本仅处于盈亏平衡的业务最终会开始赚钱,787 的盈利测算就很有意思。我只是很好奇,是什么让你有信心作出这一表态,其中包含哪些关键构成要素?
P07344:32
Jay MalaveEVP and CFO
Sure. Again, Noah, first things first, let's get to 10. That's a bogey that's been out there for quite some time, and so we got to first get to that before we can go beyond it. Again, the building blocks, whether it's 10 or even beyond that, are pretty much the same. A lot of it depends on the BCA recovery. First things first, as Kelly mentioned during his prepared remarks, is achieving certifications on the 737 variants as well as the 777X program. We're on track to do that. That helps us enable the higher production rates. Kelly just talked about what our path is for rate, just as an example on the MAX from 47 into 52. That is a significant enabler to these types of cash flows we're talking about.
当然。Noah,还是那句话,要一步一步来,让我们先达到 10(即 100 亿美元)。这是一个已经提出过相当一段时间的目标,所以我们必须先实现这一目标,然后才能谈超越它。再说一遍,无论是达到 10 还是超越这一水平,其核心构成要素基本上是一样的。很大程度上取决于商用飞机分部(BCA)的复苏。首先第一点,正如 Kelly 在准备发言中所提到的,是完成 737 系列衍生机型以及 777X 项目的取证。我们正按计划推进这项工作,这将有助于我们实现更高的生产速率。Kelly 刚才也谈到了我们的提产路径,比如 MAX 从每月 47 架提升到 52 架。这是实现我们所讨论的这类现金流水平的重要推动力。
P07445:19
When you think about that for a second, these delivery profiles, in January, on the fourth quarter call, I talked about these drags that were bringing our cash flow down and weighing it down. What the increased production rates enable us to do is burn that off. At the same time, you get the compounding benefit of stepping into the higher priced backlog. A third compounding element to that is with the higher volumes, you're also going to see cost reduction through absorption and productivity. All those elements together are really driven by our ability and the timing which we drive to these higher production rates. Beyond BCA, you've got BDS recovery, and they've done a good job. You see here in the quarter, they delivered 3.1% on the margins, so we're on the right track in our march towards high single digit.
你不妨想一想这些交付节奏:今年 1 月在第四季度电话会议上,我曾谈到那些压低并拖累我们现金流的不利因素。提高生产速率能让我们逐步消化并消除那些拖累。与此同时,你还能获得进入更高定价积压订单所带来的叠加效益。第三个叠加因素是,随着产量提高,你还会通过固定成本分摊和生产率提升实现成本下降。所有这些要素结合在一起,归根结底都取决于我们提升至更高生产速率的能力和时间节奏。除了商用飞机分部(BCA)之外,还有防务、空间与安全分部(BDS)的复苏,他们做得很好。你可以看到在本季度,他们实现了 3.1% 的营业利润率,因此我们在迈向高个位数利润率的征途上正处于正确的轨道。
P07546:12
The way I look at that business, I spent a fair amount of time talking about what I've seen thus far. To me, I kind of simplify it into three elements, which I refer to as the three Ps, performance, process, and price discipline. I think Steve Parker and his team are employing that exactly right now as they march up to this high single digit. Then the last piece of it is BGS and their continued march up. They're performing exceptionally well through any environment and continue to drive growth there. Those are the three. It's a question of timing, whether it's 10 and beyond that. This is all underpinned by a nearly $700 billion backlog that Kelly mentioned.
我看待这项业务的方式是——我之前已经花了不少时间谈论我目前所看到的情况——对我来说,我将其简化为三个要素,我称之为“三个 P”:绩效(performance)、流程(process)和价格纪律(price discipline)。我认为 Steve Parker 和他的团队在迈向高个位数利润率的过程中,目前正在切实执行这三点。最后一部分是全球服务分部(BGS)及其持续的稳步提升。无论在何种环境下,他们都表现得非常出色,并继续推动业务增长。这就是三大支柱。无论是达到 10(100 亿美元)还是超越这一水平,都只是时间问题。而这一切都由 Kelly 所提到的近 7000 亿美元积压订单作为坚实支撑。
P07646:51
We talked about kind of perturbations that can occur, but it's such a strong backlog that we have the flexibility to manage these rates and still deliver on them. It's up to us as a management team, obviously, to execute, but it's all sitting there in front of us, and we're confident that we can deliver that.
我们讨论过可能出现的各种外部扰动,但我们的积压订单如此强劲,使我们拥有足够的灵活性来管理这些生产速率并兑现交付。显然,这取决于我们管理团队的执行力,但机会就摆在我们面前,我们有信心将其兑现。
P07747:08
Noah PoponakManaging Director of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research, Goldman Sachs
Do you see 1Q as the low watermark for the BDS margin for the year?
你认为第一季度会是防务、空间与安全分部(BDS)全年利润率的最低点吗?
P07847:14
Jay MalaveEVP and CFO
It's in that ballpark. I think for the year, it could be a little bit better. Think about 3.5% for the year. I would slightly better from here on out.
大致处于这一水平。我认为就全年而言可能会略好一些,全年可以按 3.5% 左右来考虑,从现在起往后会略有改善。
被引用:↩ FY2026Q2 季度复盘 · 业绩与指引 · 2. 全年与下季指引调整↩ FY2026Q2 季度复盘 · 管理层口径变化↩ FY2026Q2 老唐风格精评 · 二、扒开三大分部账本:一头被掩盖的 600 亿现金牛,和两块正在排雷的阵地 · 3. 防务分部(BDS):总统专机又交 2.8 亿美元“学费”,老雷区快排完了吗?↩ FY2026Q1 电话会解析 · 核心判断↩ FY2026Q1 电话会解析 · 问答解析 · Noah Poponak(Goldman Sachs):长期自由现金流超越 100 亿美元的驱动力与防务利润率底部↩ 指引与语气 · 指引演变 · 商用飞机与防务分部利润率路径(`bca_margin_trajectory` / `bds_operating_margin`)
P07947:28
Noah PoponakManaging Director of Aerospace and Defense Equity Research, Goldman Sachs
Okay. Thank you.
好的,谢谢。
P08047:29
Jay MalaveEVP and CFO
All righty.
好的。
P08147:31
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of John Godin from Citi. Your line is open.
下一个问题来自花旗(Citi)的 John Godin(注:应为 John Godyn)。请讲。
P08247:38
John GodynEquity Analyst, Citi
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to maybe just ask about BCA margins, the trajectory from here. We've gotten a lot of interesting commentary on the call on 787, 737, delivery production outlook, certification trends. Intra-quarter, it felt like there was a couple chances where you guys wanted to just level set people on BCA margins. I wanted to just ask a question where perhaps we could kind of get it in one place. BCA margins this year, next year, how do you see the play-by-play evolution with so much going on with the 737 and the 787? Thanks.
嘿,各位,感谢接受我的提问。我想请教一下商用飞机分部(BCA)利润率接下来的演变轨迹。在今天的电话会议上,我们已经听到了许多关于 787、737、交付与生产展望以及取证趋势的精彩分析。在季度期间,感觉你们有几次试图帮助市场合理校准对商用飞机分部(BCA)利润率的预期。所以我希望借这个问题把相关情况集中梳理一下:鉴于 737 和 787 有这么多动态进展,你们如何看待商用飞机分部(BCA)今年和明年的利润率逐步演变过程?谢谢。
P08348:19
Jay MalaveEVP and CFO
Yeah. Thanks, John. Let me just baseline you again. In the quarter, BCA had 6.1% margins, a little bit better than what I talked about in March, and that was largely due to this one-time benefit that we received. Having said that, we still expect progressive improvement sequentially throughout the rest of the year. That'll, again, carry over into next year, where we expect
好的,谢谢你,John。让我先为你重新确立一下基准。在本季度,商用飞机分部(BCA)的营业利润率为 6.1%(注:实为 -6.1%),比我在 3 月份谈到的水平略好一些,这主要归功于我们获得的一项一次性收益。尽管如此,我们仍然预计今年剩余时间内利润率将按季度环比逐步改善。这一势头将延续到明年,我们预计——
P08448:43
The margins to turn positive mid-next year. I think they're on the right track. That is basically dependent on the delivery volumes and us continue to increase deliveries. It's also dependent on cost-based extensions. Again, we have such a strong backlog that's well priced, high confidence there. We've got, I think, over this time period, over this next 18 months or less, a solid path to get back to positive booking margins on that program.
——利润率将在明年年中转正。我认为他们正处于正确的轨道上。这基本上取决于交付量以及我们持续增加交付的能力,同时也取决于成本核算基数的延长(cost-based extensions)。还是那句话,我们拥有如此强劲且定价良好的积压订单,因此在这方面很有信心。我认为在未来 18 个月或更短的时间内,我们有一条扎实的路径让该项目重回正的入账利润率(booking margins)。
被引用:↩ FY2026Q3 季度复盘 · 管理层口径变化↩ FY2026Q2 老唐风格精评 · 二、扒开三大分部账本:一头被掩盖的 600 亿现金牛,和两块正在排雷的阵地 · 2. 商用飞机分部(BCA):产线扩产连闯三关,但为什么现在卖飞机还不赚钱?↩ FY2026Q1 电话会解析 · 问答解析 · John Godyn(Citi):商用飞机分部(BCA)今明两年利润率演变轨迹↩ FY2026Q3 电话会解析 · 问答解析 · Seth Seifman(JPMorgan):单机成本上涨、777/767 非正常成本与 BCA 盈亏平衡时点推迟↩ FY2026Q3 电话会解析 · 措辞与语气信号↩ 指引与语气 · 指引演变 · 商用飞机与防务分部利润率路径(`bca_margin_trajectory` / `bds_operating_margin`)
P08549:19
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of David Strauss from Wells Fargo. Your line is open.
下一个问题来自富国银行(Wells Fargo)的 David Strauss。请讲。
P08649:27
David StraussManaging Director of Equity Research in Aerospace and Defense, Wells Fargo
Thanks. Good morning.
谢谢,早上好。
P08749:29
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Morning.
早上好。
P08849:30
Jay MalaveEVP and CFO
Hey, David.
嘿,David。
P08949:32
David StraussManaging Director of Equity Research in Aerospace and Defense, Wells Fargo
Hey, Kelly. Two quick questions. First, I guess on Spirit. I think, Jay, you've talked about a billion-dollar kind of cash drag from Spirit this year. How do you see that progressing into 2027? That's the first one. Then, 777X change incorporation, I hear change incorporation. It sounds a bit scary based on past history when we hear change incorporation. What exactly is involved in terms of change incorporation, and how many kind of built aircraft are we potentially looking at where change incorporation is going to be necessary? Thanks.
嘿,Kelly。有两个简短的问题。首先关于 Spirit,Jay,我记得你曾提到今年 Spirit 大约会带来 10 亿美元的现金流拖累,你认为进入 2027 年后这一情况会如何演变?这是第一个问题。其次,关于 777X 的变更纳入(change incorporation),我一听到“变更纳入”这个词,基于过去的经验就会觉得有点担心。变更纳入具体涉及哪些内容?我们潜在需要对多少架已制造完成的飞机进行变更纳入工作?谢谢。
P09050:17
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Let me start with the change incorporation. What change incorporation is basically for the airplanes that we have built to incorporate all the changes that have happened since they've been built, things that result from the certification program, things that happen as a result of productivity improvements or process improvements. We go back in and we incorporate all those changes before we make the delivery. It is a pretty massive activity that we have underway. We've got a dedicated team within BCA focused specifically on the change incorporation of the airplane. We've got roughly 30 777s that'll go through this change incorporation process over several years.
我先来回答变更纳入的问题。所谓变更纳入,基本上就是针对我们已经制造完成的飞机,把它们自下线以来发生的所有变更都整合进去——包括源于取证测试项目的变更,以及源于生产率提升或工艺改进的变更。我们会在交付前返回头去把所有这些变更都改装到位。这是我们目前正在开展的一项规模相当浩大的工作。我们在商用飞机分部(BCA)内部设有一支专门的团队,专门负责该机型的变更纳入工作。我们大约有 30 架 777 飞机将在未来几年内经历这一变更纳入流程。
P09151:06
Jay MalaveEVP and CFO
On your question on Spirit, this year we talked about $1 billion of negative cash from Spirit, partly due to just operating performance and the other part being related to CapEx. As we head into next year, probably similar types, and then beyond next year, we'll start to see that improve with the benefit of performance and productivity as well as synergy capture. So that's the way to think about it, David.
David,关于你提出的 Spirit 问题,今年我们曾谈到 Spirit 会带来 10 亿美元的负现金流,一部分源于其经营表现,另一部分则与资本开支有关。进入明年,情况可能大体相似;而到了明年以后,随着经营表现和生产率的提升以及协同效应的实现,我们将开始看到现金流状况有所改善。所以你可以按这个思路来考虑。
P09251:33
David StraussManaging Director of Equity Research in Aerospace and Defense, Wells Fargo
Okay. Kelly, are there any major, in terms of that change in corp, is it structural, software, kind of any color on kind of the big things that need to be done?
好的。Kelly,在变更纳入方面,是否涉及重大结构或软件改装?能否具体谈谈需要完成哪些重大工作?
P09351:44
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Yeah. The answer to that is yes. Actually, it depends on when the airplane was built. The older the airplane, the more change incorporation and the more structural related changes that are needed, and they'll take longer. The newer the airplane, the more it's likely more minor upgrades. Actually, each airplane has a different change incorporation work scope. That's what the team is doing right now, is going through defining the statement of work. We're actually going to bring all those airplanes down to a common configuration level and then incorporate the changes. We think that's going to be the most efficient way. Now, this isn't new, David. This is something we've always planned. It's a part of the production process.
是的,答案是肯定的。实际上,这取决于飞机是什么时候制造的。机龄越早的飞机,需要进行的变更纳入工作和结构性相关改装就越多,耗时也会更长。越新制造的飞机,可能就越偏向于较小幅度的升级。实际上,每一架飞机都有不同的变更纳入工作范围。我们的团队目前正在做的工作,就是逐架梳理并界定工作说明书(statement of work)。实际上,我们打算先把所有这些飞机统一恢复到一个共同的基准构型水平,然后再统一执行变更改装,我们认为那将是最有效率的方式。不过,David,这并不是什么新鲜事,而是我们一直都在计划之中的工作,是生产流程的一部分。
P09452:34
Unfortunately, when you build the airplanes early to get all the learning, but then in order to make the final delivery, we do have to bring them all up to the latest configuration. It's in our EAC, it's in our operating plan, and we're in the early stages of that change incorporation effort.
遗憾的是,当你为了尽早积累经验而提前制造这些飞机时,为了完成最终交付,我们就确实必须把它们全部升级到最新构型。这已经纳入了我们的完工成本估计(EAC),也纳入了我们的运营计划,目前我们正处于这项变更纳入工作的早期阶段。
P09552:55
David StraussManaging Director of Equity Research in Aerospace and Defense, Wells Fargo
Okay. Thanks. Appreciate that, Kelly.
好的,谢谢。非常感谢,Kelly。
P09652:59
Operator
Rob, we have time for one more analyst question. Your final question comes from the line of Gautam Khanna from TD Cowen. Your line is open.
(Eric Hill:)Rob,我们还有时间回答最后一个分析师提问。(Operator:)最后一个问题来自 TD Cowen 的 Gautam Khanna。请讲。
P09753:10
Gautam KhannaAerospace and Defense Equity Analyst, TD Cowen
Yeah. Thanks. Good morning, Kelly, Jay, and Erik.
好的,谢谢。早上好,Kelly、Jay 和 Erik(注:应为 Eric)。
P09853:13
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Morning.
早上好。
P09953:14
Gautam KhannaAerospace and Defense Equity Analyst, TD Cowen
You touched a little bit about demand and no erosion in demand yet. I'm curious if you could just talk about the big order campaigns you're pursuing on the BCA side. I know we talked a little bit about the China order, but how big could that be? When could it happen? And what are your expectations for kind of airplane orders this year? Thanks.
你们刚才谈到了一点需求情况,提到目前需求尚未出现任何减弱。我很好奇你们能否谈谈在商用飞机分部(BCA)方面正在推进的大型订单竞标活动?我知道之前稍微聊过中国订单,但那笔订单规模可能会有多大?什么时候可能落地?另外你们对今年的飞机订单情况有何预期?谢谢。
P10053:38
Kelly OrtbergPresident and CEO
Oh. Well, let me specifically address the China order. I think that's 100% dependent on the U.S.-China negotiations and relations. As you know, there's a big summit coming up between Trump and Xi. I'm highly confident that that will result, if there's an agreement at the country level, as I said in my comments, I'm highly confident that that will include some aircraft orders. President Trump has been very focused on supporting us in international campaigns, and he's been very successful in doing that. So I think that's a meaningful opportunity for us. I'm not going to give you the number of airplanes, but it's a big number.
好的,那我专门谈谈中国订单。我认为这 100% 取决于美中谈判和双边关系。如你所知,Trump 与习近平之间即将举行一次重要峰会。我非常有信心,如果在国家层面达成协议——正如我在发言中所说——我非常有信心其中会包含一些飞机订单。Trump 总统一直非常重视在国际订单竞标活动中支持我们,而且他在这方面一直非常成功。因此我认为这对我们来说是一个重要的机会。我不会透露具体的飞机架数,但那是一个很大的数字。
P10154:29
Operator
That completes The Boeing Company's first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. Thank you for joining.
波音公司 2026 年第一季度财报电话会议到此结束。感谢各位的参与。