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FY2026Q2 电话会逐字稿

2026-08-03 来源:谷歌财经 / Quartr 67 段 · 8 位发言人 44 段被报告引用FY2026Q2 季度页 →电话会深度解析 →
译文 67/67 段 · 引用以英文原文为准

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姓名职位机构段落
Alex KarpCEOPalantir Technologies23
Shyam SankarCTOPalantir Technologies13
Ana SoroHead of Investor RelationsPalantir Technologies9
David GlazerCFOPalantir Technologies9
Ryan TaylorChief Revenue Officer and Chief Legal OfficerPalantir Technologies7
Daniel IvesAnalystWedbush Securities2
Gil LuriaAnalystD.A. Davidson2
Mariana Perez MoraAnalystBank of America2

● 公司管理层 / 主持人 ● 外部分析师

P00100:00
Ana SoroHead of Investor Relations
Good afternoon. I'm Ana Soro from Palantir's finance team. I'd like to welcome you to our second quarter 2026 earnings call. We'll be discussing the results announced in our press release issued after the market closed and posted on our investor relations website. During the call, we will make statements regarding our business that may be considered forward-looking within applicable securities laws, including statements regarding our third quarter and fiscal 2026 results, management's expectations for our future financial and operational performance, and other statements regarding our plans, prospects, and expectations. These statements are not promises or guarantees and are subject to risks and uncertainties which could cause them to differ materially from actual results. Information concerning those risks is available in our earnings press release distributed after the market closed today and in our SEC filings. We undertake no obligation to update forward-looking statements except as required by law.
下午好。我是来自 Palantir 财务团队的 Ana Soro。欢迎各位参加我们 2026 年第二季度的财报电话会。我们将讨论今天收盘后发布并登载于投资者关系网站的新闻稿中所宣布的业绩。在本次电话会期间,我们将就公司业务作出一些在适用证券法下可能被视为前瞻性的陈述,包括关于我们第三季度及 2026 财年业绩的陈述、管理层对未来财务和运营表现的预期,以及其他关于我们计划、前景和预期的陈述。这些陈述并非承诺或保证,且受制于各种风险和不确定性,可能导致实际结果与陈述存在重大差异。有关这些风险的信息详见我们今天收盘后发布的财报新闻稿以及向美国证券交易委员会(SEC)提交的文件。除法律要求外,我们不承担更新前瞻性陈述的义务。
P00200:48
Further, during the course of today's call, we will refer to certain adjusted financial measures. These non-GAAP financial measures should be considered in addition to, not as a substitute for or in isolation from, GAAP measures. Additional information about these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliation of non-GAAP to comparable GAAP measures, is included in our press release and investor presentation provided today. Our press release, investor presentation, and other earnings materials are available on our investor relations website at investors.palantir.com. Over the course of the call, we will refer to various growth rates when discussing our business. These rates reflect year-over-year comparisons unless otherwise stated. Joining me on today's call are Alex Karp, Chief Executive Officer, Shyam Sankar, Chief Technology Officer, David Glazer, Chief Financial Officer, and Ryan Taylor, Chief Revenue Officer and Chief Legal Officer. I'll now turn it over to Ryan to start the call.
此外,在今天的电话会过程中,我们将提及若干经调整财务指标。这些非公认会计准则(non-GAAP)财务指标应作为公认会计准则(GAAP)指标的补充,而非替代或孤立看待。关于这些非公认会计准则指标的更多信息,包括非公认会计准则与可比公认会计准则指标的调节表,已包含在我们今天提供的新闻稿和投资者演示文稿中。我们的新闻稿、投资者演示文稿及其他财报材料均可在我们的投资者关系网站 investors.palantir.com 上查阅。在电话会期间,我们在讨论业务时将提及各种增长率。除非另有说明,这些增长率均反映同比比较。今天与我一同参加电话会的有首席执行官 Alex Karp、首席技术官 Shyam Sankar、首席财务官 David Glazer,以及首席营收官兼首席法务官 Ryan Taylor。现在我将把主持权交给 Ryan 来开启本次电话会。
P00301:39
Ryan TaylorChief Revenue Officer and Chief Legal Officer
Our Q2 results are unprecedented but entirely unsurprising, as the abrupt market shift in LLMs that we've been warning you about for years is now here. We delivered 93% year-over-year revenue growth, our highest ever. The story of this quarter is, once again, our U.S. business. It now comprises over 81% of total revenue and grew 115% year-over-year and 23% sequentially. Our U.S. commercial revenue growth accelerated to 149% year-over-year and 28% sequentially. Our U.S. government revenue grew a remarkable 90% year-over-year and 18% sequentially. These top-line results are accompanied by a Rule of 40 score of 155 and $1.22 billion of adjusted free cash flow. We closed 220 deals worth $1 million or more, of which 98 deals were worth $5 million or more, and 73 deals were worth $10 million or more. Record highs across the board.
我们第二季度的业绩史无前例,但完全在情理之中,因为我们多年来一直向各位预警的大语言模型(LLM)市场骤变如今已经到来。我们实现了 93% 的同比营收增长,创下历史最高纪录。本季度的核心故事依然是我们的美国业务。它目前占总营收的 81% 以上,同比增长 115%,环比增长 23%。我们的美国商业营收增速加速至同比增长 149%,环比增长 28%。我们的美国政府营收实现了惊人的 90% 同比增长和 18% 环比增长。在取得这些亮眼营收业绩的同时,我们的 40 法则(Rule of 40)得分达到 155,经调整自由现金流达到 12.2 亿美元。我们签下了 220 笔价值 100 万美元及以上的交易,其中 98 笔价值 500 万美元及以上,73 笔价值 1,000 万美元及以上。各项指标全面创下历史新高。
P00402:45
These results are a clear indication of the profound value we've unlocked both for and with our customers who dared to cross the chasm with us. In contrast, enterprises that are not using Palantir are seeing their token meters spinning endlessly just to get slop without any correlation to value. This token model may be working for the labs, but it is not working for anyone else. It's breaking corporate budgets without results to justify the expense. Worse, companies are paying to give away their most important secrets, the very basis for their competitive advantage. Ultimately contributing to the commoditization of their own businesses as their secrets become the training data embedded in the foundations of all future models. On our side of the chasm, what enterprises demand is AI sovereignty, owning the operational definition of the data, logic, actions, and security of their enterprise.
这些业绩清楚地表明,我们为那些敢于与我们一同跨越鸿沟的客户、并与他们携手释放出了深远的价值。相比之下,未使用 Palantir 的企业客户正眼睁睁看着自己的 token 计费表无休止地空转,最终只得到毫无价值关联的劣质输出(slop)。这种按 token 计费的模式或许对模型实验室有效,但对其他任何人都行不通。它正在击穿企业的预算,却拿不出能够证明支出合理性的成果。更糟糕的是,企业客户正在花钱拱手让出自己最重要的机密,即其竞争优势的根基。当它们的机密变成嵌入所有未来模型底座的训练数据时,这最终只会加速其自身业务的同质化与商品化。而在鸿沟的我们这一侧,企业客户所要求的是 AI 主权,即自主掌控其企业的运营数据、逻辑、行动和安全的定义权。
P00503:51
An organization's data is its treasure. In its richness is the alpha. We are fully aligned with our customers, building a stack that enables the compounding of their alpha. Our deep alignment allows our customers' ambitions and our own to become one. As Kirkland & Ellis highlighted, quote, "Through our work with Palantir, we have built a new operating model for legal services, one that centralizes and compounds the expertise of our most senior lawyers. What used to take days for a lawyer to analyze, discuss, and draft now happens in minutes. This would be impossible without the Ontology. We do not see this as a vendor relationship or a one-off endeavor.
一个组织的数据就是它的宝藏。数据的丰富度中蕴藏着超额收益(alpha)。我们与客户完全利益一致,致力于构建一套能够让其超额收益实现复利增长的技术栈。我们的深度协同使客户的抱负与我们自己的目标融为一体。正如凯易律师事务所(Kirkland & Ellis)所强调的那样,引用原话:“通过与 Palantir 的合作,我们为法律服务构建了一种全新的运营模式,将我们最资深律师的专业知识集中起来并产生复利效应。过去一名律师需要数天时间才能完成的分析、讨论和起草工作,现在几分钟内即可完成。如果没有本体层(Ontology),这是不可能实现的。我们并不将其视为一种供应商关系或一次性尝试。
P00604:34
We think this is a revolutionary change in how our work gets done." This is what we do with our customers across industries. The deals we are closing are a testament to the monumental shift in the AI market that's underway as we speak. In our U.S. commercial business, we closed $2.1 billion in TCV with a 271% year-over-year growth rate on a dollar-weighted duration basis. A multinational technology company began working with us in the fourth quarter of last year at one operating company and expanded on their success with our platform to deliver revolutionary impact across their full portfolio, converting to a three-year, nearly $370 million deal last quarter. Customers are decisive and bold about taking the next step with Palantir.
我们认为这是我们工作方式的一场革命性变革。”这正是我们与各行各业客户共同推进的事业。我们正在签下的交易,证明了眼下 AI 市场正在发生巨大的结构性转变。在美国商业业务中,我们签下了 21 亿美元的总合同价值(TCV),按金额加权期限计算的同比增长率高达 271%。一家跨国科技公司于去年第四季度从旗下 1 家运营公司开始与我们合作,随后在取得平台成功后将其扩展至整个业务组合以交付革命性影响,并在上个季度转化为一份为期 3 年、总额近 3.7 亿美元的合同。客户在与 Palantir 迈出下一步合作时表现得果断而大胆。
P00705:23
A global asset management firm started working with us in Q1, converted last quarter to a three-year $35 million TCV deal spanning asset management automation and investment lifecycle intelligence across four verticals. After an Agent Camp in May, a global software and services company signed an initial $15 million five-month deal last quarter. A leading nonprofit health system signed a pilot at the end of 2025, converted last quarter to a three-year partnership at $37 million TCV. Our U.S. government business remains a source of extraordinary strength, with momentum across both defense and civil. We continue to take great pride in our U.S. government work, equipping our nation with the most advanced battle-tested AI capabilities. For Palantir, this is our calling.
一家全球资产管理公司在第一季度开始与我们合作,上季度转化为一份为期 3 年、总合同价值(TCV)达 3,500 万美元的合同,涵盖横跨 4 个垂直领域的资产管理自动化与投资全生命周期智能。在 5 月份参加了一次智能体训练营(Agent Camp)后,一家全球软件与服务公司在上季度签署了一份为期 5 个月、金额 1,500 万美元的初始合同。一家领先的非营利医疗系统于 2025 年底签署了试点项目,上季度转化为一份为期 3 年、总合同价值(TCV)达 3,700 万美元的合作伙伴关系。我们的美国政府业务依然是非凡实力的源泉,在国防和民用领域均保持强劲势头。我们继续为我们的美国政府工作感到无比自豪,用最先进、经受实战检验的 AI 能力武装我们的国家。对于 Palantir 而言,这是我们的使命召唤。
P00806:16
Our customers are making the decision to go deep with us with greater urgency and conviction than I've ever seen before, choosing AI sovereignty over dependency and compounding their alpha in a way that their competitors and adversaries will forever envy. I'll now turn it over to Shyam.
我们的客户正以前所未有的紧迫感和坚定信念决定与我们开展深度合作,选择 AI 主权而非依附他人,并以竞争对手和敌手永远艳羡的方式让自身的超额收益(alpha)实现复利增长。现在我将把话筒交给 Shyam。
P00906:35
Shyam SankarCTO
Thanks, Ryan. Ryan just talked about the incredible customer momentum behind sovereign AI. I want to spend some time on the underlying product investments that positioned us for this moment. AIP succeeded because it's the best, most ergonomic environment for AI in the enterprise. It integrates mixed model AI teams across heterogeneous, interdependent workflows and delivers the fastest implementations that turn tokens into real economic value for our customers in complex, high-stakes environments. What makes it work is exquisite and layered. Data integration and transformation, Ontology and actions, security and audit, workflows, agent SDKs, agent orchestration with telemetry and observability, evals and customer-specific benchmarks, AIP Evolve, and our latest investments in post-training, both supervised fine-tuning and reinforcement learning. Every layer builds on our foundational primitives, every layer flows together.
谢谢,Ryan。Ryan 刚才谈到了主权 AI 背后令人惊叹的客户势头。我想花点时间谈谈使我们得以把握这一历史时刻的底层产品投入。AIP 之所以取得成功,是因为它是企业客户部署 AI 最优秀、最符合工程直觉的环境。它跨越异构且相互依赖的工作流,整合了混合模型 AI 团队,并在复杂、高风险的环境中交付最快的落地方案,将 token 转化为客户实实在在的经济价值。让这一切运转起来的架构精妙且层次分明:数据集成与转换、本体层(Ontology)与行动、安全与审计、工作流、智能体软件开发工具包(Agent SDK)、具备遥测与可观测性的智能体编排、评估(evals)与客户专属基准测试、AIP Evolve,以及我们在后训练(post-training)方面的最新投入——同时涵盖监督微调与强化学习。每一层都建立在我们的基础原语之上,每一层都无缝贯通。
P01007:32
This infrastructure captures the rich operational telemetry to feed the compounding loop, an automated model factory that runs inside the customer security boundary and accumulates intelligence in weights they control. Last quarter, I said tokens are the new coal and AIP is the train. Now our customers can build their own locomotives. AIP is where your sovereign AI is built, deployed, and compounded. We're excited for a new era, not one of benchmaxing, but of benchmaking. The assumption that the frontier is actually the best performing is just not borne out in practice. Within 24 hours of bringing Nemotron Ultra into our stacks, we found five production tasks where a standard Nemotron Ultra model without post-training beat frontier models. This underscores that a handful of common benchmarks can be gamed. That era, benchmaxing, has ended. The new era is benchmaking. A customer-specific benchmark is not just a scorecard.
这套基础设施捕获了丰富的运营遥测数据,用于反哺复利循环——即一个在客户安全边界内运行的自动化模型工厂,将智能沉淀到客户自己掌控的模型权重中。上个季度我曾说,token 是新时代的煤炭,而 AIP 是火车头。现在,我们的客户可以建造属于他们自己的火车头了。AIP 就是构建、部署并让您的主权 AI 实现复利增长的地方。我们对一个新时代的到来感到兴奋,这不再是一个“刷榜优化”(benchmaxing)的时代,而是一个“自建基准”(benchmaking)的时代。认为前沿模型在实际中表现最好的假设,在实践中根本站不住脚。在将 Nemotron Ultra 引入我们技术栈后的 24 小时内,我们就发现了 5 项生产任务,在这些任务中,未经后训练的标准版 Nemotron Ultra 模型击败了前沿模型。这凸显出少数几个通用基准测试是可以被针对性刷分的。那个刷榜优化的时代已经结束,新时代是自建基准。客户专属基准测试不仅仅是一张计分卡。
P01108:31
It's a hill to climb. It's the normative orientation that directs your entire operational workflows and post-training pipeline. It defines what better means on your terms for your business with your strategy, everything optimizes against it continuously. Because the benchmark is yours, the trade-offs become yours, too. AIP gives you the control plane to trade cost, performance, and latency against each other, and to decide where you run your weights versus theirs, workflow by workflow, continuously. You can have a continuous improvement cycle that compounds your alpha into your weights. AIP was built for this. We continue to see that our product is winning head-to-head. The others are focused on productivity. We are laser-focused on turning tokens into real economic value for our customers. The reality is that the market has created far more intelligence than it has converted into value.
它是一座需要攀登的高山。它是指导整个运营工作流和后训练流水线的规范性方向标。它按照您的业务条件和战略,定义了什么是对您而言的“更好”,所有环节都会围绕它持续优化。因为基准测试属于您,其中的权衡取舍也由您掌控。AIP 为您提供了控制平面,让您能够持续地在成本、性能和延迟之间进行权衡,并按工作流逐一决定在何处运行您自己的权重、何处使用外部模型权重。您可以拥有一个持续改进的闭环,将您的超额收益(alpha)不断复利沉淀到您自己的模型权重中。AIP 正是为此而生。我们持续看到我们的产品在正面交锋中获胜。其他人关注的是生产力,而我们则全神贯注于为客户将 token 转化为真正的经济价值。现实情况是,市场创造出的智能远多于其转化为价值的智能。
P01209:24
A more powerful model does not solve this problem. The limiting factor is the rate of AIP deployment. A major Silicon Valley tech company recently ran a bake-off, a frontier lab and its deployment team against AIP and our Forward Deployed Engineers. Remember, only Palantir has FDEs. Everyone else has sparkling sales engineers. The lab picked a ticketing automation problem and failed to deliver anything of value against it. We built agent swarms for each of our customers' customers, proactively recommending marketing, packaging, and pricing changes to drive revenue and utilization. This work converted into a $10 million ACV contract. The lab was shown the door. Same customer, same timeline, same models. The only difference was AIP and Palantir's unique FDE tradecraft, it was determinative. It was an incredible quarter in U.S. government, measured not just by 90% year-over-year revenue growth, but by mission impact.
更强大的模型并不能解决这个问题。真正的限制因素是 AIP 的部署速度。一家硅谷大型科技公司最近举行了一场同台竞技(bake-off),让一家前沿模型实验室及其部署团队,与 AIP 和我们的前线部署工程师(FDE)直接对决。请记住,只有 Palantir 拥有真正的 FDE,其他所有人有的只是光鲜亮丽的销售工程师。那家实验室挑选了一个工单自动化问题,结果未能交付任何有价值的成果。而我们为该客户的每一个下游客户构建了智能体集群(agent swarms),主动推荐营销、打包和定价调整方案,从而推动营收和使用率增长。这项工作转化为了一份年度合同价值(ACV)达 1,000 万美元的合同。那家实验室则被请出了大门。同样的客户、同样的时间表、同样的模型,唯一的区别就是 AIP 和 Palantir 独特的 FDE 实战技艺,而这起到了决定性作用。在美国政府业务方面,这也是一个令人难以置信的季度,不仅体现在 90% 的同比营收增长上,更体现在任务影响力上。
P01310:21
Maven continues to deliver for the Joint Force, from the factory floor to the foxhole. We had our first program in the Maven platform launched this past quarter, where a government program of record chose Maven as the platform that they will operate their program in, taking advantage of our open data standards, ontology, developer tooling, peering, security, and other platform primitives to go faster and deliver seamless experiences and capabilities to the department's chosen command and control platform. Maven has also continued to win as the developer and builder platform for the Joint Force. With over 25,000 builders, uniform service members, civilians, contractors, and companies are developing agents and applications in and on the platform at the speed of war. For all that growth, our Department of War trailing 12-month revenue is still less than 25 basis points of the Pentagon's budget.
Maven 持续为联合部队提供支撑,覆盖从工厂车间到前线散兵坑的各个角落。在过去这个季度,我们在 Maven 平台上启动了首个项目:一个政府正式立项项目(program of record)选择 Maven 作为其项目运行的平台,利用我们的开放数据标准、本体层(Ontology)、开发者工具、对等互联(peering)、安全机制及其他平台原语来加快推进速度,并向该部门选定的指挥与控制平台交付无缝的体验与能力。Maven 作为联合部队的开发者与构建者平台也持续获胜。目前有超过 25,000 名构建者——包括现役军人、文职人员、承包商和企业——正以战时速度在该平台上及平台内部开发智能体和应用程序。尽管增长如此迅猛,我们在战争部(Department of War)过去 12 个月的营收仍然不到五角大楼预算的 25 个基点。
P01411:10
Finally, last week, we held our first American Builder Summit in D.C. to celebrate the Americans who stepped forward to join the American Tech Fellowship and to let them make the case that AI is creating jobs and prosperity by sharing their stories and showing what they built. We created ATF because the most transformative applications of AI that we saw were being driven by people without traditional tech backgrounds on literal front lines and factory floors. We now have over 1,000 ATF grads. One of our speakers, Jonah, who joined Tabet as a submarine parts manufacturer 13 years ago, straight onto the factory floor. He's a proud blue-collar worker who still turns wrenches for a living. He built an AI application that took production planning from 30 to 40 days down to less than one. AI alone cannot do that.
最后,上周我们在华盛顿特区举办了首届美国构建者峰会(American Builder Summit),以表彰那些挺身而出加入美国技术奖学金计划(American Tech Fellowship,简称 ATF)的美国人,并让他们通过分享自身故事和展示所构建的成果,亲自证明 AI 正在创造就业与繁荣。我们之所以创立 ATF,是因为我们看到最具变革性的 AI 应用,往往是由那些没有传统技术背景、身处真正的一线和工厂车间的人所推动的。我们目前已有超过 1,000 名 ATF 毕业生。其中一位发言者 Jonah,13 年前直接进入工厂车间加入潜艇零部件制造商 Tabet。他是一名自豪的蓝领工人,至今仍靠拧扳手谋生。他构建了一个 AI 应用程序,将生产计划制定时间从 30 到 40 天缩短到不到 1 天。单靠 AI 本身是做不到这一点的。
P01511:56
It takes AI in the hands of the American worker, the tribal knowledge earned through success and failure on the line, the insights only they have. The models are commodities, the American worker is not. I'll turn it over to Dave to take us through the numbers.
这需要把 AI 交到美国工人手中,结合他们在生产线上历经成败积累起来的内部实践经验,以及唯有他们才具备的洞察力。模型是同质化的商品,但美国工人不是。下面我将把话筒交给 Dave,由他带大家回顾财务数据。
P01612:12
David GlazerCFO
Thanks, Sean. We had a phenomenal second quarter, delivering our highest ever reported year-over-year revenue growth rate of 93% and our highest ever adjusted free cash flow of $1.22 billion, representing a 63% margin and 115% growth year-over-year. We surpassed billion-dollar milestones in GAAP net income, adjusted free cash flow, and adjusted operating income. Revenue in our U.S. business grew 115% year-over-year and 23% sequentially in the second quarter. Our U.S. commercial business accelerated to 149% year-over-year and 28% sequentially, and our U.S. government business grew 90% year-over-year and 18% sequentially. We closed $2.132 billion of U.S. commercial TCV bookings, representing growth of 153% year-over-year and 81% sequentially, nearly $800 million above our prior highest U.S. commercial bookings quarter. We are seeing the immense demand of enterprises recognizing the need for sovereign AI to retain full control of their alpha.
谢谢,Shyam(注:原文转录为 Sean,应为 Shyam)。我们度过了非凡的第二季度,实现了公司有史以来最高的 93% 同比营收增长率,以及有史以来最高的 12.2 亿美元经调整自由现金流,对应 63% 的利润率和 115% 的同比增长。我们在公认会计准则(GAAP)净利润、经调整自由现金流和经调整营业利润三项指标上均突破了 10 亿美元大关。第二季度,我们美国业务的营收同比增长 115%,环比增长 23%。其中,美国商业业务加速至同比增长 149%、环比增长 28%;美国政府业务同比增长 90%、环比增长 18%。我们签下了 21.32 亿美元的美国商业总合同价值(TCV)新签订单,同比增长 153%,环比增长 81%,比我们此前最高的美国商业新签订单季度还要高出近 8 亿美元。我们正看到庞大需求的爆发,企业客户纷纷认识到需要通过主权 AI 来保持对自身超额收益(alpha)的完全掌控。
P01713:16
On the back of this exceptional continued strength in the U.S. and accelerating demand for our sovereign AI capabilities, we are raising our full-year U.S. Commercial revenue guidance to in excess of $3.424 billion, representing a growth rate of at least 134%. We are also raising our full-year 2026 revenue guidance midpoint to $8.154 billion, representing 82% growth year-over-year, an 11-point increase over our full-year 2026 revenue guidance from last quarter, and our largest ever full-year revenue guidance raise. Turning to our global top-line results. Second quarter revenue grew 93% year-over-year and 19% sequentially to $1.935 billion. Second quarter U.S. revenue grew 115% year-over-year and 23% sequentially to $1.573 billion. Revenue from our largest customers continues to expand. Second quarter trailing 12-month revenue from our top 20 customers increased 67% year-over-year to $124 million per customer. Now moving to our Commercial Segment.
凭借美国业务这一异乎寻常的持续强劲表现以及对我们主权 AI 能力的加速需求,我们将全年美国商业营收指引上调至超过 34.24 亿美元,代表至少 134% 的增长率。我们同时将 2026 年全年营收指引中值上调至 81.54 亿美元,代表同比增长 82%,较上季度给出的 2026 年全年营收指引提高了 11 个百分点,这也是我们有史以来幅度最大的一次全年营收指引上调。来看我们的全球总体营收表现。第二季度营收同比增长 93%,环比增长 19%,达到 19.35 亿美元。第二季度美国营收同比增长 115%,环比增长 23%,达到 15.73 亿美元。来自我们最大客户的营收持续扩大。第二季度,我们前 20 大客户过去 12 个月的平均每客户营收同比增长 67%,达到 1.24 亿美元。接下来看我们的商业分部。
P01814:24
Second quarter Commercial revenue grew 110% year-over-year and 22% sequentially to $945 million. We closed $2.337 billion in Commercial TCV bookings in the second quarter, representing 118% growth year-over-year. Our AI platform continues to dominate the U.S. market as the only real choice for operationalizing LLMs, particularly as more customers demand full ownership over the data, logic, actions, and security of their enterprise. Second quarter U.S. Commercial revenue grew 149% year-over-year and 28% sequentially to $764 million. We closed a record-setting $2.132 billion of U.S. Commercial TCV bookings, representing growth of 153% year-over-year. Over the past 12 months, we closed $5.964 billion of U.S. Commercial TCV bookings, 117% increase from the prior 12 months, highlighting the accelerating demand for AI that creates real operational value. Total remaining deal value in our U.S. Commercial business grew 124% year-over-year and 27% sequentially.
第二季度商业营收同比增长 110%,环比增长 22%,达到 9.45 亿美元。我们在第二季度签下了 23.37 亿美元的商业总合同价值(TCV)新签订单,同比增长 118%。我们的 AI 平台继续主导美国市场,成为将大语言模型投入实际运营的唯一真正选择,尤其是在越来越多客户要求完全掌控自身企业的数据、逻辑、行动和安全之际。第二季度美国商业营收同比增长 149%,环比增长 28%,达到 7.64 亿美元。我们签下了创纪录的 21.32 亿美元美国商业 TCV 新签订单,同比增长 153%。在过去 12 个月中,我们累计签下了 59.64 亿美元的美国商业 TCV 新签订单,较此前 12 个月增长 117%,凸显出市场对能够创造真正运营价值的 AI 的需求正在加速。我们美国商业业务的总剩余交易价值(RDV)同比增长 124%,环比增长 27%。
P01915:35
Our U.S. Commercial customer count grew to 653 customers, reflecting growth of 35% year-over-year and 6% sequentially. Second quarter International Commercial revenue grew 26% year-over-year and 2% sequentially to $182 million. Revenue from strategic commercial contracts was approximately $400,000 for the quarter, representing 0.02% of overall revenue. We continue to expect revenue from these contracts to be less than $500,000 in each remaining quarter of this year. Shifting to our Government Segment. Second quarter Government revenue grew 79% year-over-year and 15% sequentially to $990 million. Second quarter U.S. Government revenue grew 90% year-over-year and 18% sequentially to $809 million. This growth was driven by continued execution in existing programs and new awards reflecting a growing demand for our AI platform in government. Second quarter International Government revenue grew 42% year-over-year and 5% sequentially to $181 million. We closed $3.4 billion of TCV bookings, up 49% year-over-year.
我们的美国商业客户数量增至 653 家,同比增长 35%,环比增长 6%。第二季度国际商业营收同比增长 26%,环比增长 2%,达到 1.82 亿美元。本季度来自战略商业合同的营收约为 40 万美元,占总营收的 0.02%。我们继续预计今年剩余每个季度来自这些合同的营收将低于 50 万美元。转向我们的政府分部。第二季度政府营收同比增长 79%,环比增长 15%,达到 9.9 亿美元。第二季度美国政府营收同比增长 90%,环比增长 18%,达到 8.09 亿美元。这一增长得益于现有项目的持续执行以及新获授合同,反映出政府部门对我们 AI 平台的需求不断增长。第二季度国际政府营收同比增长 42%,环比增长 5%,达到 1.81 亿美元。我们签下了 34 亿美元的 TCV 新签订单,同比增长 49%。
P02016:44
On a dollar-weighted duration basis, TCV bookings grew 129% year-over-year. Net dollar retention was 157%, an increase of 700 basis points from last quarter. We ended the second quarter with $13.1 billion in total remaining deal value, an increase of 83% year-over-year and 11% sequentially, and $4.9 billion in remaining performance obligations, an increase of 103% year-over-year and 10% sequentially. As a reminder, RPO is primarily comprised of our Commercial business as it does not take into account contracts with initial term of less than 12 months and contractual obligations that fall beyond termination for convenience clauses, both of which are common in most of our Government business. Turning to margin and expense. Adjusted gross margin, which excludes stock-based compensation expense, was 86% for the quarter and reflects an increase in costs associated with taking on cloud hosting for one of our Government customers.
按金额加权期限计算,TCV 新签订单同比增长 129%。净美元留存率(Net dollar retention)为 157%,较上季度提升 700 个基点。第二季度末,我们的总剩余交易价值(RDV)达 131 亿美元,同比增长 83%,环比增长 11%;剩余履约义务(RPO)达 49 亿美元,同比增长 103%,环比增长 10%。需要提醒的是,剩余履约义务(RPO)主要由我们的商业业务构成,因为它不计入初始期限少于 12 个月的合同以及超出便利终止条款范围的合同义务,而这两者在我们的绝大多数政府业务中都很常见。转向利润率与费用。扣除股权激励费用后的经调整毛利率在本季度为 86%,反映出因承担了某一家政府客户的云托管服务而带来的成本增加。
P02117:42
While this change led to higher cost of revenue in Q2, going forward, we believe it will power faster time to value, drive greater efficiency, provide greater cost certainty to the customer, and enable us to expand their future workflows. Adjusted income from operations, which excluded stock-based compensation expense and related employer payroll taxes, was $1.194 billion in the second quarter, representing an adjusted operating margin of 62%. Q2 adjusted expense was $741 million, up 14% sequentially and 37% year-over-year, primarily driven by the continued investment in our AI platform and technical hiring. As in prior years, we expect a significant ramp in expense in the third quarter due to the seasonality of new hire starts and other product and marketing initiatives.
虽然这一变化导致第二季度营业成本上升,但往后看,我们相信这将推动更快的价值实现、提升效率、为客户提供更高的成本确定性,并使我们能够扩展其未来的工作流。扣除股权激励费用及相关雇主薪资税后的经调整营业利润在第二季度为 11.94 亿美元,对应经调整营业利润率为 62%。第二季度经调整费用为 7.41 亿美元,环比增长 14%,同比增长 37%,主要由对 AI 平台的持续投入和技术人才招聘所驱动。与往年一样,由于新员工入职的季节性特征以及其他产品和营销举措,我们预计第三季度费用将出现显著上升。
P02218:31
We remain committed to investing in the most elite technical talent as well as R&D for our product pipeline and sovereign AI efforts, all while delivering on our goals of sustained GAAP profitability. Second quarter GAAP operating income was $912 million, representing a 47% margin. Second quarter GAAP net income was $1.062 billion, representing a 55% margin. Second quarter stock-based comp expense was $265 million, and equity-related employer payroll tax expense was $17 million. Second quarter GAAP earnings per share was $0.41. Second quarter adjusted earnings per share was $0.41. Unrealized gains from our holdings in SpaceX resulted in a $0.03 tailwind to GAAP EPS and a $0.02 tailwind to adjusted EPS in the quarter.
我们依然致力于投资最顶尖的技术人才以及面向产品管线和主权 AI 举措的研发工作,同时持续兑现保持公认会计准则(GAAP)盈利的目标。第二季度 GAAP 营业利润为 9.12 亿美元,对应利润率为 47%。第二季度 GAAP 净利润为 10.62 亿美元,对应利润率为 55%。第二季度股权激励费用为 2.65 亿美元,与股权相关的雇主薪资税费用为 1,700 万美元。第二季度 GAAP 每股收益为 0.41 美元。第二季度经调整每股收益为 0.41 美元。我们所持有的 SpaceX 股权带来的未实现收益,在本季度对 GAAP 每股收益产生了 0.03 美元的顺风提振,对经调整每股收益产生了 0.02 美元的顺风提振。
P02319:19
Our combined revenue growth and adjusted operating margin accelerated to 155% in the second quarter, a 10-point increase to our Rule of 40 score from the prior quarter and our 12th consecutive quarter of an expanding Rule of 40 score. Turning to our cash flow. In the second quarter, we generated $1.216 billion in cash from operations and $1.22 billion in adjusted free cash flow, representing margins of 63%. We ended the quarter with $9.2 billion in cash equivalents, and short-term U.S. Treasury securities. Turning to our outlook. For Q3 2026, we expect revenue of between $2.16 billion and $2.164 billion and adjusted income from operations of between $1.292 billion and $1.296 billion. For full year 2026, we are raising our revenue guidance to between $8.15 billion and $8.158 billion. We're raising our U.S.
第二季度,我们的营收增速与经调整营业利润率之和加速至 155%,使我们的 40 法则(Rule of 40)得分较上一季度提高了 10 个百分点,这也是我们连续第 12 个季度实现 40 法则得分的扩张。转向现金流。在第二季度,我们产生了 12.16 亿美元的经营活动现金流和 12.2 亿美元的经调整自由现金流,两者对应的利润率均为 63%。截至本季度末,我们持有的现金、现金等价物及短期美国国债总额为 92 亿美元。转向业绩展望。对于 2026 年第三季度,我们预计营收在 21.6 亿美元至 21.64 亿美元之间,经调整营业利润在 12.92 亿美元至 12.96 亿美元之间。对于 2026 年全年,我们将营收指引上调至 81.5 亿美元至 81.58 亿美元之间。我们将美国
P02420:17
commercial revenue guidance to in excess of $3.424 billion, representing a growth rate of at least 134%. We're raising our adjusted income from operations guidance to between $4.889 billion and $4.897 billion. We are raising our adjusted free cash flow guidance to between $4.5 billion and $4.7 billion, and we continue to expect GAAP operating income and net income in each quarter of this year. I'll turn it over to Alex for a few remarks, and then Ana will kick off the Q&A.
商业营收指引上调至超过 34.24 亿美元,代表至少 134% 的增长率。我们将经调整营业利润指引上调至 48.89 亿美元至 48.97 亿美元之间。我们将经调整自由现金流指引上调至 45 亿美元至 47 亿美元之间,并且我们继续预计今年每个季度都将实现正的 GAAP 营业利润和净利润。现在我将把话筒交给 Alex 作简要发言,随后 Ana 将开启问答环节。
P02520:50
Alex KarpCEO
Obviously, we are loving these results and loving what they mean for our customers and broadly speaking, the West. Reflections on how we got to 93% aggregate growth, just under 150% growth in U.S. commercial, and an aggregate growth of 115% in America, which is astonishing, even surpassing the already anomalous results we've posted in the past and at a very significant scale. The story really does begin at the beginning when we dedicated ourselves to our most important partners in the U.S. government, and we built products to deliver value for them. We delivered those value for them by looking at the world in its naked state. We did not have AI available. We had to work with NLP, so we had to develop forward-deployed engineer model to extend the technology and deliver value. The nascent version of Ontology was developed.
显然,我们非常喜爱这些业绩成果,也非常欣喜于它们对我们的客户乃至广义上的西方世界所意味着的一切。回顾我们是如何实现 93% 的总体增长、接近 150% 的美国商业增长,以及在美国市场实现 115% 的总体增长的——这令人惊叹,甚至超越了我们过去在已经相当庞大的体量上交出的异乎寻常的成绩单。这个故事确实要从最初讲起,当时我们全身心投入服务我们在美国政府中最重要的合作伙伴,并为他们打造能够交付价值的产品。我们通过直面世界最赤裸的真实状态来为他们交付价值。那时候我们还没有 AI 可用,只能处理自然语言处理(NLP),因此我们必须开发前线部署工程师(FDE)模式来延展技术并交付价值。本体层(Ontology)的雏形也正是在那时诞生的。
P02622:01
Shyam, Aki, others strapped BlackBerrys around their head and made the code work in sensitive environments. What we learned and what was built into this company is that there are things, values, structures that are more important than purely extracting value from a client. We rejected the way in which we were being taught in Silicon Valley to build a software company at the time. Palantir, of course, is now both infrastructure, software, FDEs, orchestration, and business know-how. It's a completely different hybrid. At the time, we were being told our job was to trick the clients into giving us money for something that made them attached to us, but really added no value. Essentially a parasitic model. In the rejection of that, we fully aligned with our partners.
Shyam、Aki 和其他人把黑莓手机绑在头上,让代码在敏感环境中跑通。我们从中领悟到、并熔铸进这家公司骨子里的理念是:有些事物、价值观和架构,比单纯从客户身上榨取价值更为重要。我们拒绝了当时硅谷教我们打造软件公司的那套做法。当然,如今的 Palantir 已经集基础设施、软件、FDE、编排能力与业务专长于一身,是一个完全不同的混合体。而在当年,别人告诉我们,我们的工作就是哄骗客户掏钱购买那些让他们产生依附、实则毫无新增价值的东西——本质上是一种寄生模式。在拒绝那种模式的过程中,我们实现了与合作伙伴的完全利益一致。
P02722:58
Now, to do that, as we went through the years, we built PG, Foundry, Gaia, Maven, Ontology, AIP. Now we're taking the AIP stack and extending it for sovereign AI, which requires us to be able to orchestrate and fine-tune models to provide a completely sovereign stack to our partners. What is the philosophical importance of that? We are offering a present that augurs to a future that we want to live in. What does that future look like? We have more rights in the PG frame. It's safer in the sovereign AI frame, which is arguably by far the most important because all these other things are downstream from GDP growth and GDP health, what if we transform America into the only democracy that actually grows where production is more efficient and manufacturing actually happens? What is that frame?
为了做到这一点,在随后的岁月里,我们相继构建了 PG、Foundry、Gaia、Maven、Ontology 和 AIP。现在,我们正在将 AIP 技术栈进一步延展至主权 AI 领域,这要求我们有能力编排和微调模型,从而向合作伙伴提供一套完全自主可控的主权技术栈。这背后的哲学意义是什么?我们正在提供一种当下方案,它预示着一个我们真正想要生活于其中的未来。那个未来是什么样的?在 PG 框架下,我们拥有更多权利。在主权 AI 框架下,它更加安全——这无疑是目前最重要的一点,因为所有其他事物都处在 GDP 增长与 GDP 健康度的下游:如果我们把美国改造成唯一一个真正实现增长、生产更加高效、且制造业切实运转的民主国家,会怎么样?那是一个怎样的框架?
P02823:54
That frame is not you are going to buy into a future where you have no job, where adversaries win, and everybody who does win is a small, tiny group of people living in a tiny place that somehow believes because they eat vegetables and they don't support war fighters, that they deserve to have the total means of production of this country. The rest of us should just sit back and absorb the cost of that revolution, which we're paying for. How are we paying for it? In the enterprise context, people sign up for token self-pleasurings, and that at a real cost like other forms of self-pleasuring, where you are paying for the right for them to migrate your IP, your know-how, your expertise to their model so that they can build a competitive business that doesn't require your business, your people.
那个框架绝不是让你去买单这样一个未来:你失去工作,敌手获胜,而唯一获胜的是一小撮住在弹丸之地的人——他们不知为何觉得,就因为自己吃素、不支持作战人员,自己就理应占有这个国家的全部生产资料;而我们其余所有人就只管坐着承受这场革命的代价,并为之买单。我们是怎么为之买单的?在企业客户场景中,人们签约购买那些消耗 token 的自嗨把戏,就像其他形式的自嗨一样,这需要付出高昂的真实代价——你花着钱,去购买让他们把你的知识产权、专有知识、专业经验迁移到他们模型里的权利,好让他们能够建立起一个不再需要你的业务、不再需要你的员工的竞争性业务。
P02924:46
Why are they doing it? It's actually being done for what they believe are moral reasons. They are superior to you. They deserve to colonize your enterprise. You deserve to be colonized. Palantir, in A, it's interesting, it doesn't work as well or E is efficient purely on the alpha side as having an application layer, owning your compute. Witness, we built a partnership with NVIDIA. We're expanding our application layer. We are going to enter the market and already entering it in the classified space, as Shyam alluded to, of fine-tuning models. The model's actually fine-tuned by us in our enterprise on an NVIDIA stack, outperform frontier models, and you own the weights, you own the alpha. You own everything.
他们为什么要这么做?实际上,他们是出于自己所认为的道德理由去做的:他们比你高人一等,他们理应殖民你的企业,而你活该被殖民。至于 Palantir,首先,单从超额收益(alpha)角度来看,那种做法的效果和效率都不如拥有应用层并自主掌控算力。作为印证,我们与英伟达(NVIDIA)建立了合作伙伴关系,我们正在扩展我们的应用层。正如 Shyam 刚才提到的,我们即将进入、而且在机密领域已经进入了模型微调市场。由我们在企业内部、基于英伟达技术栈微调出的模型,实际表现优于前沿模型,而且你拥有模型权重,你拥有超额收益(alpha),你拥有一切。
P03025:29
Every single enterprise in this country is going to either look at doing this, find ways of doing it, or at least avoid the alternative of unprotected interaction with frontier models. This is very dangerous. You were warned about this in high school, and now you're learning about it in your enterprise. At Palantir, we are in the front of driving this revolution. I am driving the business to grow at a rate equal or above to what we have in U.S. commercial for the next 18 months, which is a very high goal, but it is one we can actually get to because we are fully aligned with what's right and what's good and what actually works well in an enterprise. For the first time, people believe us.
这个国家的每一家企业客户,最终要么会考虑这么做、设法这么做,要么至少会避开另一种选择——即在毫无防护的情况下与前沿模型交互。那是极其危险的。你在高中时就被警告过这种事,而现在你正在自己的企业里吸取这个教训。在 Palantir,我们走在推动这场革命的最前沿。我正推动公司在未来 18 个月内,以不低于甚至高于目前美国商业业务的增速持续增长。这是一个非常高的目标,但我们确实能够实现,因为我们所做的事情与什么是正确的、什么是良善的、以及什么在企业客户中真正行之有效完全一致。这是有史以来第一次,人们相信了我们。
P03126:09
If you didn't believe us, you can believe 149% growth in the U.S., a Rule of 40, that's 155%, 93% aggregate growth, and 90% growth in U.S. Comm with 62%-63% free cash flow margins. People thought we wouldn't be profitable. This is one of the more exciting times to be at Palantir. It's one of the more exciting times to participate in Palantir. For everyone on the sidelines, you got to get off the sidelines. This is a revolution that will affect the sovereign revolution. Where you stand in it will affect your livelihood, the livelihood of the people you care, and whether America and the West win.
如果你以前不相信我们,你总该相信美国市场 149% 的增长、高达 155% 的 40 法则(Rule of 40)得分、93% 的总体增长,以及美国商业 90% 的增长(注:原文口误为 U.S. Comm,实指美国政府 90% 增长)和 62%-63% 的自由现金流利润率。过去人们还以为我们根本赚不到钱。现在是身处 Palantir 最令人振奋的时刻之一,也是参与到 Palantir 事业中最激动人心的时刻之一。对于所有还在场外观望的人,你们必须下场了。这是一场将影响主权革命进程的变革,你在其中所处的立场,将决定你的生计、你所关心之人的生计,以及美国和西方世界能否获胜。
P03226:49
We cannot regress to a thin philosophical model where only a small group of people who think very differently than most of us actually absorb all of the revenue and value in our business and transfer all the dangers to us. That's what this revolution is about, and it's extremely motivating for those of us at Palantir. Thank you.
我们绝不能倒退回那种单薄的哲学模式——让思维方式与我们大多数人截然不同的一小撮人,吸干我们业务中所有的营收和价值,却把所有的危险转嫁给我们。这就是这场革命的核心所在,而它对我们 Palantir 的所有人来说都极具感召力。谢谢大家。
P03327:12
Ana SoroHead of Investor Relations
Thanks, Alex. Our first question is from Dan with Yorkville Ives. Dan, please turn on your camera, and then you will receive a prompt to unmute your line.
谢谢,Alex。我们的第一个问题来自 Wedbush(注:原文转录为 Yorkville Ives,应为 Wedbush 的 Dan Ives)的 Dan。Dan,请打开您的摄像头,随后您将收到解除静音的提示。
P03427:28
Alex KarpCEO
Where is the prompt? Well, while we are waiting, you can be entertained. Yeah.
提示在哪儿呢?好吧,在等待的时候,大家可以先乐呵一下。是的。
P03527:35
Ana SoroHead of Investor Relations
Maybe we can circle back to Dan. Our next question is from Mariano with Bank of America. Mariano, please turn on your camera, and then you will receive a prompt to unmute your line.
也许我们可以稍后再切回给 Dan。下一个问题来自美国银行的 Mariana(注:原文转录为 Mariano,应为 Mariana)。Mariana,请打开您的摄像头,随后您将收到解除静音的提示。
问答环节
P03627:46
Daniel IvesAnalyst, Wedbush Securities
I think I am good.
我想我已经连上了。
P03727:48
Alex KarpCEO
Okay.
好的。
P03827:48
Daniel IvesAnalyst, Wedbush Securities
Thank you. Can you walk through, at the Sovereignty Bootcamp, what did you learn with talking to customers that maybe you weren't expecting? Obviously, just an overwhelming sort of group of executives. Can you talk about that, Alex?
谢谢。能否请您谈谈,在主权训练营(Sovereignty Bootcamp)上,您与客户交流时有哪些出乎您意料的收获?显然现场汇聚了阵容极其庞大的高管群体。Alex,您能聊聊这个吗?
P03928:05
Alex KarpCEO
First of all, for those of you not in the know, we did a Sovereignty Bootcamp after this kind of revolution exploded. Just to give the backdrop here, two years ago, we spent four or five months, Sasha, who runs this, organizing AIP Con. This was much more like, "Hey, let's invite our buddies over to lunch." All of a sudden, we start getting bombarded by people. People we invited, people we didn't invite, all levels of the business. When you're working in enterprise, it's really important that the operational people are interested. It was like CEOs, operational leads. There's a huge educational component, and Shyam talks about this a lot. People understand that they need a way of controlling their alpha.
首先,向不太了解情况的听众介绍一下,在这场主权革命爆发后,我们举办了一次主权训练营(Sovereignty Bootcamp)。交代一下背景:2 年前,负责此事的 Sasha 花了 4 到 5 个月时间筹备 AIP Con。而这次更像是说:“嘿,咱们请朋友们过来吃个午饭吧。”结果突然之间,我们被蜂拥而至的人潮淹没了。既有我们邀请的人,也有我们没邀请的人,涵盖企业的各个层级。在服务企业客户时,一线运营人员的兴趣至关重要。而这次来的人包括首席执行官和各业务运营负责人。这里面有很大一块是市场教育工作,Shyam 经常谈到这一点。大家明白自己需要一种掌控自身超额收益(alpha)的方法。
P04028:50
They understand broadly that token maxing is at their own cost, and they certainly understand that token maxing is leading to them transferring their data, their prompts, the way they run their business, their expertise to a third party. They need education on what they can do about that with us, preferably, but also without us. How do you do contracts? How do you work with open-weight models? How do you work with closed-weight models? How does this work in Ontology? Is Ontology the protective layer that they've been told? How would this look in their own business, and how would they work with the compute stack? There's just this massive demand, and we're in the business of educating people, both our customers and others.
他们普遍明白,盲目堆砌 token 消耗(token maxing)是在拿自己的利益买单,而且他们非常清楚,盲目堆砌 token 正在导致他们把自己的数据、提示词(prompts)、业务运营方式以及专业经验转移给第三方。他们需要了解自己能对此做些什么——最好是与我们合作,但也包括在不找我们的情况下该怎么做。比如合同该怎么签?如何使用开源权重模型?如何使用闭源权重模型?在本体层(Ontology)中它是如何运作的?本体层真的是他们所听说的那层保护屏障吗?这在他们自己的业务里会是什么样子,又该如何与算力技术栈配合?这方面的需求极其庞大,而我们正在做教育市场的工作,既面向我们的客户,也面向其他人。
P04129:33
It was a super heterodox group of people, both in terms of the kind of people showed up, the demand for it, and also people we've not worked for. By the way, one of the reasons the NDR number is so strong, ridiculously strong. People always write these things about customer adoption and maybe, but the NDR number is anomalously strong. That is also going to shift and, as hard as it is to believe, become even more positive because some of our older partners we haven't really interacted with, they also showed up. They're like, "Oh, okay. Now we get why we would need you." Not just Foundry. They're migrating across our stack. Customers that were only using Foundry now want Ontology, now want to be part of the sovereign AI stack. I would say last not least, you're asking the internal version, external version.
到场的是一个极其多元化的群体,无论从参会人员的背景、需求热度来看,还是从包含许多我们此前从未合作过的企业来看都是如此。顺便说一句,这也是我们的净美元留存率(NDR)数字如此强劲、甚至强得离谱的原因之一。外界总爱写各种关于客户采用情况的评论,但我们的 NDR 数字异乎寻常地强劲。而且令人难以置信的是,这个数字接下来还会进一步转变,变得更加亮眼,因为一些我们很久没有深入互动的老合作伙伴也来到了现场。他们的反应是:“噢,好吧,现在我们明白为什么需要你们了。”而且不只是用 Foundry,他们正在向我们的全套技术栈迁移。过去只使用 Foundry 的客户,现在想要本体层(Ontology),想要成为主权 AI 技术栈的一部分。最后但同样重要的一点,既然你问到了内部和外部的感受。
P04230:19
Internally, recruiting, retention, excitement at Palantir. I'm very excited. I think the people around this table are very excited. The legal department is excited. That hasn't happened. That doesn't happen. They're out like, "Rock on." It's more fun. That's the way this went down, and I think this is the way beginning. The way at least we think about this internally is what portion of a market is available to people who want to create value, mean create value, and keep it? That portion of the market has gone from a small portion of the market, where we were doing to a large part of the U.S. GDP. That's why we need partners. Behind the scenes now we're trying to find partners. Partners we need technically exceedingly competent partners. Partners doesn't mean a vassal. We don't have to agree on every issue.
在内部,无论是招聘、留存还是 Palantir 内部的兴奋感都空前高涨。我非常兴奋,我想这张桌子旁的每一个人都非常兴奋。就连法务部门都很兴奋——这在以前从未发生过,通常也不会发生。他们走出去都像在喊“太酷了”。工作变得更有趣了。事情就是这样推进的,而且我认为这还只是个开始。至少我们在内部思考这件事的方式是:对于那些既想要创造真实价值、又想要保住这份价值的人来说,有多大比例的市场空间是向他们开放的?这一市场空间已经从我们过去所服务的一小块市场,扩大到了美国 GDP 的很大一部分。正因为如此,我们需要合作伙伴。目前在幕后,我们正在积极寻找合作伙伴。我们需要在技术上极其过硬的合作伙伴。合作伙伴不意味着附庸,我们不必在每一个问题上都意见一致。
P04331:19
We don't even have to agree on every client. They can occasionally compete against us. We've seen this in the defense tech stuff, Stack and Shyam, like the approach to defense tech where we partner with people. Partner doesn't mean we agree. Sometimes we compete, but it means we're marching in a similar direction. It allows us to scale. Those things are going to be a very big important part of essentially the guide. Why am I pushing the company to grow not to just the end of the year, but next year? It's because that also forces us to find ways to scale to meet the demand that's out there.
我们甚至不必在每一个客户上都保持一致,他们有时也可以与我们竞争。我们在国防科技领域已经实践了这一点,比如 Shyam 主导的国防科技合作模式。合作伙伴不代表完全一致,有时我们也会竞争,但它意味着我们正朝着相似的方向前进。这使我们能够实现规模化扩张。这些举措将成为支撑我们业绩指引的非常重要的一部分。为什么我要推动公司不仅在今年年底前保持高增长,而且在明年继续保持高增长?因为这也会倒逼我们去寻找规模化扩张的途径,以满足市场上实实在在的庞大需求。
P04431:55
Ana SoroHead of Investor Relations
Thanks, Alex. Our next question is from Mariana with Bank of America. Mariana, please turn on your camera and then you'll receive a prompt to unmute your line.
谢谢,Alex。我们的下一个问题来自美国银行的 Mariana。Mariana,请打开您的摄像头,随后您将收到解除静音的提示。
P04532:03
Mariana Perez MoraAnalyst, Bank of America已校正
Good afternoon, everyone.
大家下午好。
P04632:06
Alex KarpCEO
Hello.
你好。
P04732:07
Ana SoroHead of Investor Relations
Hi.
你好。
P04832:07
Shyam SankarCTO
Afternoon.
下午好。
P04932:07
Mariana Perez MoraAnalyst, Bank of America已校正
A follow-up to Dan's question. When all this AI revolution started, right? It was really clear for enterprises that data and proprietary data and how you train your models was going to be the key. We're three years into that revolution, and now everyone started to realize, oh, owning my data and where they are learning from my data is important. What happened there? Why you think that you position yourself back then in a different approach to AI that enterprises weren't able to see? Why these numbers that reflect that you are the winner of AI today, it wasn't that clear for any other software application back then?
我想追问一下刚才 Dan 的问题。当这场 AI 革命刚开始时,对企业客户来说其实非常清楚,数据和专有数据以及如何训练自己的模型将是关键所在。如今这场革命已经过去 3 年,大家才突然开始意识到,“噢,拥有我自己的数据、以及关注他们如何从我的数据中学习至关重要”。这期间究竟发生了什么?为什么你们认为自己当年采取了与众不同的 AI 路径,而当时企业客户却没能看清?为什么今天这些印证你们成为 AI 赢家的业绩数字,在当年的其他软件应用公司身上却并没有那么清晰地显现出来?
P05032:51
Shyam SankarCTO
You can kind of divide it up into two parts. There's the first part is efficacy, the second part is efficiency. That's not the quite the right word, but it's like, how do you scale it? In the zero to one phase, it's much more important to focus on the application layer. Okay, this new thing has happened, how do we turn that into economic value? As people started to experience the economic value, and as time started happening, you started to see that some of the people who were partners out there were building things that were competitive to you.
你可以把这个问题分成 2 个部分来看。第一部分是有效性(efficacy),第二部分是效率(efficiency)——或者更准确地说,是如何将其规模化。在从 0 到 1 的阶段,把重心放在应用层上要重要得多:既然这项新技术出现了,我们该如何把它转化为经济价值?而当人们开始真正体验到经济价值,并且随着时间推移,大家开始发现,外面有一些原本被当作合作伙伴的机构,正在构建与你直接竞争的东西。
P05133:18
I think that took some time to kind of seep into the psyche and mindset of, Now I know this thing is valuable in the right hands on the right platform, but I also am going to need to control the weights. That the alpha that is being generated isn't simply the data that's resident in my enterprise. It's also the metadata, the reasoning traces, the exhaust, the usage of this, which I don't yet have mechanisms to control. Now I understand that's actually probably more valuable than just the data in my enterprise. That's been a clarion call, I think, for the market over the last quarter, two quarters.
我认为这种认知需要一段时间才能逐渐渗透到企业的心理和思维模式中:现在我知道这东西在合适的人手里、在合适的平台上很有价值,但我也必须要掌控模型权重;而且由此产生的超额收益(alpha)并不仅仅是驻留在企业内部的数据,还包括元数据、推理轨迹(reasoning traces)、副产物数据(exhaust)以及模型的使用方式,而企业目前还没有机制去控制这些东西。现在企业终于明白,这些东西实际上可能比企业内部原有的静态数据更有价值。我认为,这正是过去一到 2 个季度以来敲响整个市场的警钟。
P05233:55
Alex KarpCEO
There's also the question implicit in your question is, why did we get this right? Again, I think it's we are actually fully aligned with our partners. Sometimes we make decisions that are against our economic interests. We're supporting lots of institutions in Europe. The growth sucks. I mean clandestine institutions. Without our products, they would have rampant terrorism and their migration problems, and the results would be 10 times worse. It's not actually in our economic interest anymore to do this, but we still do it. It's because we actually are believers, for better or worse. I would say also, this is a company that from beginning, from inception, has valued artistic insights, meaning you can't model something purely on science. You have to have an aesthetic or artistic appreciation for it. We've made huge bets.
你的问题里还隐含着另一个问题:为什么我们当初能看准这一点?我依然认为,这是因为我们与合作伙伴真正做到了利益完全一致。有时候,我们会做出违背自身短期经济利益的决定。比如我们一直在支持欧洲的许多机构,那里的增长很糟糕——我指的是秘密情报与安全机构。如果没有我们的产品,他们就会面临猖獗的恐怖主义和失控的移民问题,后果会比现在糟糕 10 倍。继续做这些事在经济上其实已经不符合我们的利益,但我们依然在做。因为无论好坏,我们是真正有信仰的人。此外我还要说,这家公司从创立之初起,就高度珍视艺术性的直觉与洞察——意思是说,你不能纯粹靠科学去对所有事物建模,你必须对它怀有一种审美或艺术层面的感知力。我们正是凭此下过许多重注。
P05334:52
Everyone sitting at this table and many, many hundreds of people at Palantir have essentially artistic insights. We've always viewed ourselves, we've always said we're a colony of artists, and people assume that means we're just difficult. That's also true. It's also we value insights that are way before anyone else would see them. We build major parts of our business. That's very hard for normal business to do because one of the jokes running around Palantir is we can definitely meet our guide next year if we get paid for all the people copying us. We get a small portion of people copy of the funds for the copiers, we do very well. Normal businesses, again, no critique here, are built around there was a playbook, we execute on that playbook, and we're in a non-playbook world.
坐在这张桌子旁的每一个人,以及 Palantir 内部的成百上千名员工,本质上都拥有这种艺术性的洞察力。我们一直把自己视为、也一直自称为“艺术家的聚居地”,外界往往以为那只是说我们很难打交道。这倒也没错。但这同时也意味着,我们珍视那些远在其他人看清之前就萌发的超前洞察,并以此构建起我们业务的核心板块。普通企业很难做到这一点。目前 Palantir 内部流传着一个笑话:如果所有抄袭我们的人都向我们付费,只要从抄袭者的资金里分一小部分给我们,我们明年的业绩指引就稳如泰山了。普通企业——这里没有任何批评的意思——通常是围绕一套现成的剧本(playbook)建立的,大家照着剧本执行;但我们现在所处的是一个没有现成剧本的世界。
P05435:42
Executing on a playbook that worked 5, 10 years ago, essentially build parasitic software and monetize it, that doesn't work now. There's hundreds of variants of that, but that is a central advantage we have. We are a colony of believers and artists that are very motivated to drive value, that sets us aside much more than I would have imagined 10 years ago if you'd asked the same question. Luckily for us, this is capitalism. I mean, DSA wants to get rid of it, but until they do, you got to look at the results. The other thing I'll tell you that's very special for us, we are outsiders. Outsiders like you're an outsider. You come to this country, you better have really good results. Like the same thing for Palantir.
去执行一套 5 年、10 年前管用的剧本——本质上就是制造寄生性的软件然后变现——放到今天已经行不通了。虽然市面上有上百种这类剧本的变体,但这正是我们所拥有的核心优势:我们是一群干劲十足、致力于驱动真实价值的信仰者与艺术家,这让我们与众不同的程度,远远超出了如果 10 年前你问我同样问题时我的想象。幸运的是,我们身处资本主义制度下。虽然美国民主社会主义者(DSA)想要废除它,但在他们得逞之前,你终究得靠业绩结果说话。我想告诉你的另一件对我们非常特别的事是:我们是局外人(outsiders)。就像一个初来乍到的外人,你来到这个国家,就最好拿出真正过硬的成绩。Palantir 也是如此。
P05536:26
We know we need the best results because people aren't buying our product because we're swinging the golf club correctly or paying for the steak dinner. They don't even invite us to steak dinners. That outsider status has caused huge problems in the first 18 years, but a lot of benefits in the next 18 years. Other people don't like being outsiders. In fact, I'm struggling with our current popularity.
我们深知自己必须拿出最好的结果,因为客户买我们的产品,绝不是因为我们高尔夫球杆挥得标准,也不是因为我们请客吃了牛排大餐——他们甚至根本不会邀请我们去吃牛排晚宴。这种局外人身份在前 18 年里给我们惹来了巨大的麻烦,但在接下来的 18 年里却给我们带来了巨大的红利。其他人都不喜欢当局外人。事实上,我反而正在为我们如今这么受欢迎而感到不适应。
P05636:56
Ana SoroHead of Investor Relations
Thank you. Our next question's from Gil with D.A. Davidson. Gil, please turn on your camera, you'll receive a prompt to unmute your line.
谢谢。我们的下一个问题来自 D.A. Davidson 的 Gil。Gil,请打开您的摄像头,随后您将收到解除静音的提示。
P05737:04
Gil LuriaAnalyst, D.A. Davidson
Thank you. On the topic of sovereignty, you focused a lot on how dangerous it is to give the keys to the labs because they could choose to compete with you. Is there another aspect of this as well, though, that if you choose a lab and you buy the orchestration and the consulting and the harnesses from them, you're beholden to their models, and if something happens, if it's not the best model anymore, if the model gets pulled, then you as a customer are stuck, and you may have a mission-critical system fail. This isn't hypothetical.
谢谢。关于主权这个话题,你们刚才重点强调了把钥匙交给模型实验室是多么危险,因为他们可能会选择与你竞争。但这里面是否还有另一个层面的问题:如果你选择了一家模型实验室,并向他们购买了编排工具、咨询服务和外围框架(harnesses),你就会受制于他们的模型;一旦发生意外——比如它不再是最好的模型,或者该模型被下架停用——那么作为客户的你就会陷入瘫痪,关键任务系统就可能崩溃。这并不是假设。
P05837:38
This happened a couple of times this year, where one of the Frontier models got pulled by either the government or the company, while if you work with Palantir, I would assume that when that happens, you can go to your customer and say, "Hey, if that model doesn't work, I can plug in another model for you.
今年这种情况已经发生过好几次了,某个前沿模型被政府或厂商撤下;而如果客户与 Palantir 合作,我猜想当这种情况发生时,你们可以走到客户面前说:“嘿,如果那个模型不能用了,我可以为你接入另一个模型。”
P05937:55
Alex KarpCEO
No, I'll let Ryan and Shyam comment here. We're already doing that across the USG, U.S. government. We have a product that allows you to switch out models. Look, at the end of the day, if you are locked into a product, that's the nature of monopoly capitalism. That's why people want the lock-in, because then they can raise the prices and reduce the quality. We're against that because we're on the side of the American worker, the American people, and its great institutions, and other institutions across the West. Yes, people who are running big enterprises in this country are very sophisticated. They're aware of these risks, and they don't like people who are flaunting, setting this up so that they feel they're being made fun of, or they're a sucker, basically. Honestly, there's a lot of anger here.
没错,我一会儿让 Ryan 和 Shyam 也补充一下。我们在整个美国政府(USG)业务中已经在这样做了。我们有专门的产品可以让客户随时切换替换底层模型。归根结底,如果你被锁定在单一产品里,那就是垄断资本主义的本质。为什么有些人总想搞绑定和锁定?因为一旦锁定,他们就可以提价并降低质量。我们反对这种做法,因为我们站在美国工人、美国人民以及美国和西方世界伟大机构的一边。是的,在这个国家执掌大型企业的负责人都非常精明,他们清楚这些风险,而且他们极其反感那些耀武扬威、设下圈套让他们觉得自己被戏弄或被当成冤大头的人。老实说,这在企业界引发了很大的愤怒。
P06038:43
I spent, interestingly, a fair bit of my time trying to explain to people that some of the people involved in these things are not the caricatures they think they are. Because the business setup looks like heads I win, tails I win, and American business people don't like that. I don't know, there's a lot of things on the contractual front that would support that.
有趣的是,我反而花了不少时间去向客户解释,参与这些事情的某些人并不像他们想象的那么脸谱化。因为那种商业模式看起来就像是“正面我赢,反面还是我赢”,而美国商界人士绝不喜欢这种霸王条款。在合同层面也有很多细节印证了这一点。
P06139:03
Ryan TaylorChief Revenue Officer and Chief Legal Officer
Yeah, I would say our whole focus is converting tokens to value. The example Shyam gave, that's happening across the board in the conversations with customers. That's why they're looking to expand, to convert how they position themselves in the industry with us, in their industry. We're seeing extreme alignment. It's not about being beholden to one model. It's about bringing the right models to bear for the right purposes, and our contracts, our structures are set up to do that, to support and compound their alpha in the organization.
是的,我想说我们的全部重心都是将 token 转化为真实价值。Shyam 刚才举的那个例子,在我们与客户的各类对话中正在全面上演。正因为如此,客户才希望扩大合作,与我们携手改变他们在自身行业中的竞争站位。我们看到了高度的利益协同。核心不在于依附于某一个单一模型,而在于针对正确的目标调动最合适的模型;而我们的合同模式与产品架构正是为此而设计的,旨在支持并让客户组织内部的超额收益(alpha)实现复利增长。
P06239:31
Shyam SankarCTO
I think I mentioned it earlier, you're going to see this. We've been beholden to a small number of benchmarks that people have been designing models to, and then releasing models saying, "Look how well it does on this benchmark." The benchmark has actually almost nothing to do with your business. How do you figure out how to make the benchmark that represents your reality, what you're trying to succeed at, what you're trying to get better at, and then see what model makes sense? The natural consequence of doing that, even leaving aside all of your other arguments for sovereignty, is like, "Oh, how do I climb that hill? How do I figure out what it is that I do as a business that I feed back into weights that I can control?" Which presupposes an open model and sovereignty.
我想我刚才已经提到过这一点,大家接下来会看得很清楚。过去我们一直被少数几个基准测试所绑架——人们针对这些基准测试来设计模型,然后发布模型说:“看,它在这个基准测试上表现多好。”但那个基准测试与你的实际业务几乎毫无关系。你该如何构建一个真正代表你自身业务现实、代表你想要取得的成功、代表你想要改进方向的基准测试,然后再去看哪个模型最合理?一旦你这样做,哪怕撇开所有其他关于主权的论据不谈,它自然而然带来的推论就是:“噢,我该如何攀登那座高山?我该如何梳理出自己作为一家企业的核心运作逻辑,并将其反哺回我自己能够掌控的模型权重之中?”而这本身就以开放模型和主权可控为前提。
P06340:08
You're not just going to do that where you're waiting, "Hey, maybe I'll switch it out when this model gets pulled, when the rug gets pulled out from underneath me." You're actually going to be leveraging the automation to do that constantly, to figure out when you have a next checkpoint that you can afford. Maybe there's a new model. I mentioned the example. I literally almost felt gaslit when within 24 hours of getting Nemotron up with no post-training, this is vanilla Nemotron Ultra, it did better than Frontier. If you just looked at the numbers, you would say, "Well, it's nowhere near the Frontier. That shouldn't even be possible." Of course, the benchmarks are wrong. The benchmarks are right for what the benchmark's measuring. That's not my business. Those are not the tasks my customers had that they were trying to solve.
你不会只是被动地等在那里说:“嘿,等这个模型被撤下、等别人把地毯从我脚下抽走时,我再把它换掉吧。”相反,你会利用自动化机制持续不断地去做这件事,随时评估什么时候出现了自己用得起的下一个模型检查点(checkpoint),或者什么时候出了新模型。我刚才提到了那个例子:当我们在完全没有做后训练的情况下把原版 Nemotron Ultra 跑起来,并在 24 小时内发现它的表现竟然击败了前沿模型时,我简直感觉自己以前被忽悠了(gaslit)。如果你只看公开跑分数字,你肯定会说:“它离前沿模型差远了,这根本不可能。”显然,是那些通用基准测试错了——或者说,通用基准测试只对它所测量的题目是对的,但那不是我的业务,也不是我的客户试图解决的实际任务。
P06440:46
Moving this to an empirical basis is, I think, is how we're going to accelerate the realization of tokens to real economic value.
我认为,把这一切转移到以实证为基础的轨道上来,正是我们加速将 token 转化为真正经济价值的关键路径。
P06540:56
Ana SoroHead of Investor Relations
Thank you. Alex, as always, we have a lot of individual investors on the line. Is there anything you'd like to say before we end?
谢谢。Alex,一如既往,今天有许多个人投资者在线收听。在结束之前,您有什么想对他们说的吗?
P06641:02
Alex KarpCEO
Well, your support was crucial to getting us this far and crucial to getting us to where we're going to go, which is a much, much, much, much larger company. This is one of the most exciting times to be involved in the Palantir mission. We are going to help transform, especially this country, but allied countries, both in commercial and government. This sovereign frame that we're using as our organizational principle is one that is inclusive of everybody who wants to have a better world today and tomorrow, and we invite everyone to engage with it in some form. Thank you.
你们的支持对于我们走到今天至关重要,对于我们迈向未来——成为一家规模庞大得多、大得多的公司——也同样至关重要。现在是参与到 Palantir 使命中最令人振奋的时刻之一。我们将帮助推动深刻的变革,首先是在美国,同时也包括盟友国家的商业和政府领域。我们作为组织原则所采用的这一主权框架,包容了每一个希望在今天和明天拥有更美好世界的人,我们诚邀所有人以各种形式参与其中。谢谢大家。
P06741:46
Ana SoroHead of Investor Relations
Thank you. That concludes Q&A for today's call.
谢谢。今天的电话会问答环节到此结束。