FY2026Q2 电话会逐字稿
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点击某位发言人,只突出显示其发言;再次点击恢复| 姓名 | 职位 | 机构 | 段落 |
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| Elon Musk | CEO and Chief Engineer | SpaceX | 33 |
| Gwynne Shotwell | President and COO | SpaceX | 17 |
| Bret Johnsen | CFO | SpaceX | 11 |
| Operator | 11 | ||
| Andrea Williams | Head of Investor Relations | SpaceX | 9 |
| Adam Jonas | Analyst | Morgan Stanley | 2 |
| Eric Sheridan | Analyst | Goldman Sachs | 1 |
| John Godyn | Analyst | Citigroup | 1 |
| Ronald Epstein | Analyst | Bank of America | 1 |
| Doug Anmuth | Analyst | JPMorgan | 1 |
| Edison Yu | Analyst | Deutsche Bank | 1 |
| John Hodulik | Analyst | UBS | 1 |
| Kutgun Maral | Analyst | Evercore ISI | 1 |
● 公司管理层 / 主持人 ● 外部分析师
P00100:00
Andrea WilliamsHead of Investor Relations
Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for SpaceX's second quarter 2026 earnings conference call. I'm Andrea Williams, Head of Investor Relations. Joining me today are Elon, Gwyn, and Bret, we are speaking to you from our facility in Bastrop, Texas. Our second quarter financial results were announced just after 3:00 P.M. Central Time, all relevant materials have been published to our investor relations website at ir.spacex.com. For this webcast, our prepared remarks will be followed by a question and answer session. We will take live Q&A from equity analysts then move to questions directly from our investors that were polled on our dedicated earnings Q&A platform. Thank you to everyone who submitted your questions in advance. During this webcast, we will discuss our business outlook and make forward-looking statements. These statements are based on our predictions and expectations as of today.
大家下午好。感谢参加 SpaceX 2026 年第二季度财报电话会。我是投资者关系负责人 Andrea Williams。今天和我一起的有 Elon、Gwyn 和 Bret,我们在得克萨斯州巴斯特罗普的设施里与大家连线。我们的第二季度财务业绩在美国中部时间下午 3:00 刚过时发布,所有相关材料已发布在我们的投资者关系网站 ir.spacex.com 上。本次网络直播先由管理层作准备好的发言,然后是问答环节。我们会先回答股票分析师的现场提问,再回答投资者在我们专门的财报问答平台上投票选出的问题。感谢所有提前提交问题的人。在本次直播中,我们会讨论业务展望并作出前瞻性陈述。这些陈述基于我们截至今天的预测和预期。
P00200:51
Actual events or results could differ materially due to a number of risks and uncertainties, including those mentioned in our most recent filings with the SEC, including our final prospectus and today's published Form 10-Q. Additionally, during this call, we may discuss certain non-GAAP measures. In our press release and our filings with the SEC, you can find additional disclosures, including all reconciliations with comparable GAAP measures. For the second quarter of 2026, we announced the following financial results as compared to the prior year quarter. Revenues of $7.8 billion, up 92% from $4.1 billion, a quarterly net loss of $541 million, an improvement of $467 million, an adjusted EBITDA of $3.5 billion, up 191% from $1.2 billion. I will hand the call over to Elon for his opening remarks.
由于多种风险和不确定性,实际事件或结果可能存在重大差异,包括我们最近向 SEC 提交的文件中提到的风险,其中包括我们的最终招股书和今天发布的 10-Q 表格。此外,本次电话会中我们可能会讨论某些非 GAAP 指标。在新闻稿和提交给 SEC 的文件中,可以找到更多披露,包括与可比 GAAP 指标的全部调节表。2026 年第二季度,与上年同季相比,我们公布了以下财务业绩:营收 78 亿美元,较 41 亿美元增长 92%;季度净亏损 5.41 亿美元,改善了 4.67 亿美元;调整后 EBITDA 为 35 亿美元,较 12 亿美元增长 191%。下面请 Elon 作开场发言。
P00301:50
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
Thank you. It's been another milestone year for SpaceX so far. We're making great progress developing a fully and rapidly reusable reliable rocket with Starship. We're connecting millions more people globally across 170 markets with fast, reliable Starlink internet. We're building AI compute capacity at scale faster than anyone else, we believe. We're significantly improving our AI models, most notably with the release of Grok 4.5 last month. I'll dive into each of those topics separately. With Starship, we completed two successful flights of Starship B3 in the past 90 days. Flight 13 demonstrated core capabilities necessary to achieve an orbital mission and return to Starbase for catch. On Flight 14 will be our first flight to fly our version 3 Starlink satellites, our communication satellites, to operational orbit.
谢谢。到目前为止,今年对 SpaceX 又是具有里程碑意义的一年。我们在开发可完全、快速复用且可靠的火箭 Starship 方面取得了很大进展。我们正通过快速、可靠的 Starlink 互联网,在全球 170 个市场连接数百万新用户。我们相信,我们正在以比任何人都快的速度大规模建设 AI 算力。我们正在显著改进我们的 AI 模型,最值得一提的是上个月发布的 Grok 4.5。我会分别深入谈谈这些话题。Starship 方面,过去 90 天里我们完成了两次成功的 Starship B3 飞行。第 13 次飞行展示了实现轨道任务并返回 Starbase 被捕获所需的核心能力。第 14 次飞行将是我们首次把第 3 版 Starlink 卫星,也就是我们的通信卫星,送入运营轨道。
P00403:00
We will try to actually catch the first and the second stage of Starlink V3 this year, we could possibly catch the ship as soon as the next flight. It's difficult to actually explain to most people just the incredible significance of Starship. I think perhaps describing it in terms of tonnage to orbit is a good way to appreciate the magnitude of the impact Starship will have on the future of civilization. Right now we deliver, call it, roughly 2,500 tons a year to orbit via Falcon. This is a big number by normal standards. The rest of the world, I think, delivers around 300 tons. We deliver 80%-90% of total Earth mass to orbit per year with Falcon.
今年我们会尝试真正捕获 Starlink V3 任务的第一级和第二级,最快可能在下一次飞行就捕获飞船。要向大多数人解释 Starship 的非凡意义其实很难。我想,用入轨吨位来描述,或许是理解 Starship 将对文明未来产生多大影响的好方法。目前我们通过 Falcon 每年大约把 2,500 吨送入轨道。按正常标准这是个很大的数字。我认为世界其他地方加起来大约是 300 吨。我们用 Falcon 每年送入轨道的质量占地球总量的 80%-90%。
P00504:06
With Starship, our aspirations, and I think we will achieve these aspirations, are to deliver well over 1 million tons to orbit per year, and probably ultimately 10 million tons per year. If you had a chart where you plotted things, you would need a very big table to put the chart on to even see any of our competitors on that chart and to make that. Our next biggest competitor was one pixel high on the bar chart. You would still need a very big bar chart to represent the SpaceX Starship vehicle. It's worth noting that we actually encourage our competitors to copy us. We do nothing to slow them down. We launch competing satellite constellations at fair prices, the same price we charge everyone.
有了 Starship,我们的目标是——我认为我们会实现这些目标——每年把远超 100 万吨的载荷送入轨道,最终可能达到每年 1000 万吨。如果你画一张图,你需要一张非常大的桌子来放这张图,才能在图上看到我们的任何竞争对手。我们之后最大的竞争对手在柱状图上只有一个像素高。你仍然需要一张非常大的柱状图来表示 SpaceX 的 Starship。值得一提的是,我们实际上鼓励竞争对手模仿我们。我们不做任何拖慢他们的事。我们以公平的价格发射竞争对手的卫星星座,收的价格和其他所有人一样。
P00605:09
We do encourage our competitors to copy us, it's quite difficult to copy something like Starship. We don't use patents as a sort of a landmine exercise to stop people from copying us. We actively encourage it. When you think about it on that, you go from 2,500 tons a year to 1 million, potentially 10 million tons per year, it's really a ridiculously profound difference. That is our plan, and I think we will achieve that plan. Regarding Starlink, it's also worth just noting that the Starlink V3 satellite is about an order of magnitude more capable than the Starlink V2 satellite, which was already a very capable satellite. We expect to launch about an order of magnitude more Starlink V3 satellites. That would mean a roughly two order of magnitude increase in the delivered bandwidth.
我们确实鼓励竞争对手模仿我们,但像 Starship 这样的东西很难模仿。我们不会把专利当作埋地雷一样来阻止别人模仿我们。我们积极鼓励模仿。这样想一想,从每年 2,500 吨到 100 万吨,甚至可能 1000 万吨,这真是一个大得离谱的差别。这就是我们的计划,我认为我们会实现这个计划。关于 Starlink,还值得一提的是,Starlink V3 卫星的能力比 Starlink V2 卫星高大约一个数量级,而 V2 已经是非常强的卫星了。我们预计发射的 Starlink V3 卫星数量也会多大约一个数量级。这意味着交付的带宽大约提高两个数量级。
P00706:21
Even if our monetization per bit dropped by a factor of 10, that would still mean a 10X increase in the revenue of Starlink. I think people are really underestimating Starlink here. This is a big deal. It's kind of hard for people to wrap their minds around this, but it's not out of the question that at some point, Starlink will deliver a majority of the world's internet, at least in countries where we're allowed to operate, which is the vast majority of countries. This is important to bear in mind, and it's not in the infinity future. It's less than 10 years. With the advent of AI, and humanoid robotics and vehicle robotics and just a massive number of robots, the appetite for bandwidth will be much greater than it has been in the past.
即使我们每比特的变现下降到原来的十分之一,Starlink 的收入仍然会增长 10 倍。我认为人们真的低估了 Starlink。这是件大事。人们可能很难理解,但并非不可能在某个时候,Starlink 会提供全球大部分的互联网,至少在允许我们运营的国家是这样,而这包括绝大多数国家。这一点很重要,而且这不是遥远的未来。不到 10 年。随着 AI、人形机器人、车辆机器人以及海量机器人的出现,对带宽的需求会比过去大得多。
P00807:25
You think of a human consuming perhaps, or producing perhaps about a few hundred bits per second of output. Actually, the average human is outputting less than one bit per second over the course of a day, which is 86,400 seconds. Computers could easily do billions of bits per second continuously over a 24-hour period. This is why I would expect the appetite for bandwidth to grow dramatically with the growth of AI and robotics. Really, I think Starlink is the only thing that can actually service that bandwidth. Regarding AI, we're making rapid progress on Grok, because Grok 4.5 was a huge improvement. We have Grok 4.6 coming out probably next week, and then Grok 4.7 is about three or four weeks from today. We expect the cadence of AI development to improve dramatically.
你想想,一个人大概消耗,或者说产出,每秒几百比特。实际上,按一天 86,400 秒算,普通人平均每秒的产出不到 1 比特。计算机可以在 24 小时内持续每秒输出数十亿比特。这就是为什么我预计随着 AI 和机器人的增长,对带宽的需求会急剧增长。我真的认为只有 Starlink 能满足这种带宽需求。AI 方面,我们在 Grok 上进展迅速,Grok 4.5 是巨大的进步。Grok 4.6 可能下周推出,Grok 4.7 大约在三四周后。我们预计 AI 开发的节奏会大幅加快。
P00908:39
With Grok 5, which should be out before the end of this year, we will be incorporating the entire corpus of SpaceX data. Basically, all the data that SpaceX has ever produced, which is a tremendous amount over the course of a quarter century, will be incorporated into Grok training. We think this will make Grok by far the best engineer. These are all very big things. In addition, of course, we are providing compute to others, and we are building and deploying compute, I think, faster. Our rate of growth certainly is faster than anyone else. Our efficiency of compute deployment, I think, is also the highest. We expect to end this year with over two gigawatts of compute. Probably our cumulative compute online by the end of next year will be several times higher.
Grok 5 应该会在今年年底前推出,我们会把 SpaceX 的全部数据纳入其中。基本上,SpaceX 二十五年来产生的所有数据——数量非常庞大——都会纳入 Grok 的训练。我们认为这会让 Grok 成为迄今为止最好的工程师。这些都是非常重大的事情。此外,当然,我们也在为其他公司提供算力,而且我认为我们建设和部署算力的速度更快。我们的增长速度肯定比任何人都快。我认为我们部署算力的效率也是最高的。我们预计今年年底算力超过 2 吉瓦。到明年年底,我们累计上线的算力可能会高出好几倍。
P01009:44
It may, let's say, be closer to 10 gigawatts of compute than five gigawatts of compute, as a way to think about it. Going forward, we've decided to build exclusively on Nvidia, because we think the Vera Rubin architecture is the best architecture. We think it's the best AI computer, and we greatly value our close cooperation and partnership on many levels with Nvidia. We're exclusive to Nvidia. This new capacity coming online will obviously further benefit the development of Grok, as will our Cursor acquisition, which should close quite soon. I think we're through almost all of the regulatory hurdles. With respect to the Starmind AI satellite, which will be essentially an optimized Vera Rubin NVL72 computer. This is not some sort of far future distant thing. We expect to start launching these next year.
可以这样理解:它可能更接近 10 吉瓦,而不是 5 吉瓦。今后我们决定只基于 Nvidia 建设,因为我们认为 Vera Rubin 架构是最好的架构。我们认为它是最好的 AI 计算机,我们非常重视与 Nvidia 在多个层面的紧密合作和伙伴关系。我们只用 Nvidia。新上线的算力显然会进一步促进 Grok 的开发,我们对 Cursor 的收购也会,这笔收购应该很快完成。我认为我们几乎已经通过了所有监管关卡。至于 Starmind AI 卫星,它本质上是一台优化过的 Vera Rubin NVL72 计算机。这不是什么遥远未来的事情。我们预计明年开始发射。
P01111:09
We think the design of the NVL72 VR computer is a much better design than, say, having a standard rack style design. We expect to actually deploy this on the ground as well as in orbit, because we think it's going to be a radical simplification of the normal NVL72 rack. It will cost less. It'll be more effective. If we're going to put it in space, why not put it on the ground? I think that's going to be pretty cool. In conclusion, the SpaceX team is solving some of the hardest engineering problems in the history of humanity. I think the team is succeeding because I think we've got, in a lot of ways, the smartest, most dedicated team of humans that has ever existed.
我们认为 NVL72 VR 计算机的这种设计比标准机架式设计要好得多。我们预计会在地面和轨道上都部署它,因为我们认为这将极大简化常规的 NVL72 机架。成本更低,效果更好。既然要把它放到太空,为什么不也放在地面上呢?我觉得这会很酷。总之,SpaceX 团队正在解决人类历史上一些最难的工程问题。我认为团队之所以成功,是因为在很多方面,我们拥有有史以来最聪明、最敬业的一群人。
P01212:20
I'm incredibly proud to work with such a team, and I'd like to thank the team for their incredible hard work. Thank you to investors who have supported us along the way.
能和这样的团队一起工作,我感到无比自豪,我要感谢团队的辛勤付出。也感谢一路支持我们的投资者。
P01312:38
Gwynne ShotwellPresident and COO
Thanks, Elon. We had an exceptional second quarter, and today I'll focus on the operational and commercial highlights, as well as the initiatives we are prioritized going forward. Starting with our space business, we remain the leading launch provider globally, with 78 total launches and 1,041 tons of mass to orbit delivered in the first half of this year, primarily allocated to our own internal Starlink missions, but with great customer missions as well. While our launch capabilities are key to supporting our connectivity business, we continue to have a very robust commercial manifest and a very robust and growing U.S. government mission demand, which drives revenue for the segment. We're currently launching at our highest Falcon cadence and are on the precipice of operationalizing Starship.
谢谢 Elon。我们度过了一个非常出色的第二季度,今天我会重点讲运营和商业上的亮点,以及我们接下来优先推进的举措。先从航天业务说起,我们仍是全球领先的发射服务商,今年上半年共发射 78 次,向轨道运送了 1,041 吨质量,主要用于我们自己的 Starlink 任务,但也有很多出色的客户任务。虽然我们的发射能力是支撑连接业务的关键,但我们仍然有非常充足的商业发射订单,以及非常强劲且不断增长的美国政府任务需求,这些带来了该分部的收入。我们目前的 Falcon 发射频率是历来最高的,Starship 也即将投入运营。
P01413:30
As Elon said, the first two flights of our V3 Starship vehicles put us in an excellent position to achieve our near-term goals of reaching orbit, catching and reusing the ships and boosters, and deploying our V3 Starlink broadband satellites. Speaking of which, Starlink had a standout quarter, driven by continued growth across our consumer, enterprise, and government businesses. During the second quarter, we added net more than 1.7 million Starlink subscribers globally, consumer. This reflects our best quarter of new customers to date, an increase from the 1.4 million we added during the first quarter. We achieved this by holding ARPU, which is the average revenue per user, stable at $66 per month compared to the first quarter.
正如 Elon 所说,V3 Starship 的头两次飞行让我们处于非常有利的位置,可以实现近期目标:入轨、捕获并复用飞船和助推器,以及部署 V3 Starlink 宽带卫星。说到这个,Starlink 本季度表现突出,消费者、企业和政府业务都在持续增长。第二季度,我们在全球净增超过 170 万 Starlink 消费者用户。这是我们迄今新增客户最多的一个季度,高于第一季度新增的 140 万。我们做到这一点的同时,ARPU,也就是每用户平均收入,与第一季度相比稳定在每月 66 美元。
P01514:20
We ended the second quarter with service availability in 167 markets and have continued to activate new markets since then, with some very exciting announcements coming soon, maybe even as early as today. As of June 30th, our constellation of operational Starlink broadband and mobile satellites in orbit grew to roughly 10,200, with our 9,600 broadband satellites delivering roughly 800 terabits per second of total downlink capacity. Following a successful speed run test of the V3 Starlink satellites on the most recent Starship launch, during which we connected every satellite through every laser link, we intend to deploy V3 satellites into the constellation for operational use on the upcoming Starship missions.
第二季度末,我们在 167 个市场提供服务,此后还在继续开通新市场,很快会有一些非常令人兴奋的公告,也许今天就会发布。截至 6 月 30 日,我们在轨运营的 Starlink 宽带和移动卫星星座增长到约 10,200 颗,其中 9,600 颗宽带卫星提供约 800 太比特每秒的总下行容量。在最近一次 Starship 发射中,我们对 V3 Starlink 卫星成功进行了快速测试,通过每条激光链路连接了每颗卫星。此后,我们打算在接下来的 Starship 任务中把 V3 卫星部署进星座投入运营。
P01615:10
The significant amount of capacity we're able to add to the Starlink constellation from the V3 satellites will enable us to continue providing even better service, I think it's pretty great already, but to do so while serving more and more customers over the world. In fact, in the years ahead, we expect Starlink will represent a significant portion of global internet traffic, which Elon also talked about. We also see significant growth opportunities for Starlink on the enterprise and government side of the business. We believe revenue from these markets have the potential to reach a scale at least comparable but likely exceed our consumer business as we continue to gain share. In the second quarter, we signed a major agreement with American Airlines, as well as activated our service with new partners including Southwest, Virgin Atlantic, Iberia, and Aer Lingus.
V3 卫星能为 Starlink 星座增加大量容量,这让我们能继续提供更好的服务——我认为现在已经很好了——同时服务全球越来越多的客户。事实上,在未来几年,我们预计 Starlink 将占全球互联网流量的很大一部分,Elon 也谈到了这一点。我们还看到 Starlink 在企业和政府业务方面有巨大的增长机会。我们相信,随着我们继续提高份额,这些市场的收入有潜力达到至少与消费者业务相当、而且很可能超过消费者业务的规模。第二季度,我们与美国航空签署了一项重要协议,并为西南航空、维珍大西洋航空、伊比利亚航空和爱尔兰航空等新合作伙伴开通了服务。
P01715:59
We have become the provider of choice among major airlines with outstanding customer feedback, but still have significant room for growth. In fact, we heard from one of our airline customers, shockingly, customers are flying shorter hop flights instead of direct so that they could ensure that they're on a Starlink-activated flight. They'd never seen this in the business before. On the government side, we won more than $6 billion in U.S. contracts in Q2, supporting major Space Force programs that offer our nation mission-critical communications and sensing capabilities, and we see even more room for growth in this sector in this coming year. In Q2, we also launched the new Starlink Mobile partnerships with international carriers, including SoftBank, NTT Docomo, and Spark New Zealand. Our near-term priority is launching Mobile V2 satellites on Starship ahead of integrating the 65 MHz of EchoStar spectrum later next year.
我们已成为各大航空公司的首选供应商,客户反馈非常好,但仍有很大的增长空间。事实上,我们从一家航空公司客户那里听说,令人吃惊的是,乘客会选择转机的短途航班而不是直飞,以确保自己坐上开通了 Starlink 的航班。他们在这个行业里从没见过这种情况。政府方面,我们在第二季度赢得了超过 60 亿美元的美国合同,支持太空军的重大项目,为国家提供关键任务通信和感知能力,我们看到这个领域在接下来一年还有更大的增长空间。第二季度,我们还与软银、NTT Docomo 和 Spark New Zealand 等国际运营商推出了新的 Starlink Mobile 合作。我们的近期优先事项是用 Starship 发射 Mobile V2 卫星,然后在明年晚些时候整合 EchoStar 的 65 MHz 频谱。
P01817:03
This spectrum transfer was recently approved by the FCC and represents a foundational competitive advantage for Starlink Mobile. In AI, the industry is hurtling towards ever more compute demands. We're rapidly expanding our compute capacity to meet our own needs as Grok expands, as well as those for other leading companies such as Google and Anthropic. In terms of our own Grok models, the enterprise feedback on rollout of Grok 4.5 has been very positive so far. Token consumption tripled out of the gate after the July release, and we continue to see strong signals on usage and monetization for the model. We're looking forward to welcoming the Cursor team to SpaceX to integrate our engineering and begin to benefit from a combined sales capability. In review, our momentum as a business is extraordinary.
这次频谱转让最近获得了 FCC 批准,是 Starlink Mobile 的基础性竞争优势。AI 方面,整个行业对算力的需求正在飞速增长。我们正在迅速扩大算力,以满足 Grok 扩张带来的自身需求,以及谷歌和 Anthropic 等其他领先公司的需求。就我们自己的 Grok 模型而言,到目前为止企业客户对 Grok 4.5 的反馈非常积极。7 月发布后,token 消耗量一开始就翻了两番(增至 3 倍),我们在该模型的使用和变现上持续看到强劲信号。我们期待欢迎 Cursor 团队加入 SpaceX,整合双方的工程能力,并开始受益于合并后的销售能力。总的来看,我们业务的势头非常强劲。
P01917:52
Our engineering teams are scaling Starship and our next-gen satellites, while our sales teams expand Starlink, aviation, mobility, and global markets. At the same time, we're bringing on additional compute capacity and expanding and deepening our AI partnerships across a broader set of customers. And though I've been in this business for 24 years, I could not be more excited about the months ahead with all the exciting and amazing things going on. It really feels like we're just getting started all over again. Now I'll turn the call over to Brett.
我们的工程团队正在扩大 Starship 和下一代卫星的规模,销售团队则在拓展 Starlink、航空、移动和全球市场。同时,我们在增加算力,并在更广泛的客户群中扩展和深化 AI 合作。虽然我在这个行业已经 24 年了,但面对接下来几个月这么多令人兴奋的事情,我从没这么兴奋过。真的感觉我们又一次刚刚起步。下面请 Brett 发言。
P02018:27
Bret JohnsenCFO
Thank you, Gwen. We demonstrated strong results in Q2. Revenue growth accelerated across every segment. We narrowed our net losses by nearly half on a year-over-year basis, and we grew adjusted EBITDA meaningfully faster than revenue. Importantly, we significantly strengthened the balance sheet through our IPO and inaugural investment-grade bond offering. The combination of our global launch leadership, recurring Starlink revenue, and rapid growth in AI infrastructure continues to drive improved operating leverage. Now I'll walk through the financials for each segment. For the space segment, revenue grew 55% sequentially and 29% year-over-year to $962 million, driven by a higher number of larger customer launches and a favorable customer mix. Segment costs and expenses rose $389 million year-over-year, and we continued to accelerate R&D investments in our Starship program.
谢谢 Gwen。第二季度我们交出了强劲的业绩。每个分部的收入增长都在加速。我们的净亏损同比收窄了近一半,调整后 EBITDA 的增速明显快于收入。重要的是,通过 IPO 和首次投资级债券发行,我们大幅增强了资产负债表。全球发射领先地位、经常性的 Starlink 收入和 AI 基础设施的快速增长相结合,持续带来经营杠杆的改善。下面我逐一介绍各分部的财务情况。航天分部收入环比增长 55%,同比增长 29%,达到 9.62 亿美元,原因是大型客户发射次数增加以及客户结构有利。该分部成本和费用同比增加 3.89 亿美元,我们继续加大对 Starship 项目的研发投入。
P02119:32
Starship aims to quadruple payload capacity and reduce launch costs by 10 times compared to our Falcon 9 rocket, unlocking significant capabilities across all of our business segments. We continue to make progress building the infrastructure required to support thousands of Starship launches per year, including accelerating Raptor and launch vehicle production, the build-out of our Gigabay, and making significant progress towards activating multiple launch pads at Starbase and in Cape Canaveral at Pad 39A and Pad 37. Space adjusted EBITDA was a loss of $205 million for the quarter, primarily reflecting these higher R&D expenses. Moving to the Connectivity segment, revenue was up in the Connectivity segment up to $4.3 billion, up 32% sequentially and 66% year-over-year. Growth was driven by record net additions of Starlink subscribers and a sharp increase in enterprise and government revenue. Starlink subscriber ARPU was $66, unchanged compared to Q1.
与我们的 Falcon 9 火箭相比,Starship 的目标是把有效载荷能力提高到 4 倍,并把发射成本降低 10 倍,从而为我们所有业务分部带来重大能力。我们在建设支持每年数千次 Starship 发射所需的基础设施方面继续取得进展,包括加快 Raptor 和运载火箭的生产、建设 Gigabay,以及在 Starbase 和卡纳维拉尔角的 39A 号和 37 号发射台启用多个发射台方面取得重大进展。本季度航天分部调整后 EBITDA 亏损 2.05 亿美元,主要反映了这些更高的研发费用。再看连接分部,收入增长到 43 亿美元,环比增长 32%,同比增长 66%。增长来自 Starlink 用户创纪录的净增,以及企业和政府收入的大幅增加。Starlink 用户 ARPU 为 66 美元,与第一季度持平。
P02220:45
As we continue our global expansion, we're taking a localized go-to-market approach that ensures our product and service offerings fit local needs. While our geographic expansion may drive down blended ARPU over time, we anticipate continued subscriber momentum to deliver strong revenue growth. Enterprise and government revenue grew 108% year-over-year and represents a durable source of revenue, contributing to strong segment margins overall. As Gwyn mentioned, we see enormous opportunity for growth in this segment as we remain, for example, less than 10% penetrated in one of the largest segments being aviation. Total costs and expenses for the Connectivity segment increased $970 million or approximately 58% year-over-year. The increase was driven by higher spend to support our revenue growth, including growth in our satellite constellation, increased R&D investment for our next gen V3 satellites, and incremental marketing spend.
随着我们继续全球扩张,我们采取本地化的市场进入策略,确保产品和服务符合当地需求。虽然地域扩张可能会随时间拉低综合 ARPU,但我们预计用户增长势头将继续带来强劲的收入增长。企业和政府收入同比增长 108%,是一个持久的收入来源,对分部整体的高利润率有贡献。正如 Gwyn 提到的,我们在这个分部看到巨大的增长机会,例如在最大的细分市场之一航空领域,我们的渗透率仍不到 10%。连接分部的总成本和费用同比增加 9.70 亿美元,约 58%。增加的原因是为支持收入增长而增加的支出,包括卫星星座的扩大、对下一代 V3 卫星的研发投入增加,以及额外的营销支出。
P02321:51
As Elon mentioned, our V3 satellites are expected to deliver 10 times the amount of broadband capacity and data density from our current generations, which I think we believe are already pretty amazing, and which are essential to supporting continued subscriber growth and higher value service tiers. Income from operations from the Connectivity segment increased 79% year-over-year to $1.7 billion, outpacing revenue growth and driving nearly three points of operating margin expansion. Connectivity segment adjusted EBITDA rose 64% year-over-year to $2.6 billion. AI Segment revenue was $2.6 billion, up 213% sequentially and 247% year-over-year. The increase was driven primarily by new cloud services agreements, as well as growth in Grok and X subscription revenue. Advertising revenue grew 7% sequentially as we overhauled our advertising platform technology to enable AI functionality and enhance self-service for all customer types.
正如 Elon 提到的,我们的 V3 卫星预计将提供现有几代卫星 10 倍的宽带容量和数据密度——我们认为现有卫星已经相当了不起了——这对支持用户持续增长和更高价值的服务档位至关重要。连接分部的营业利润同比增长 79%,达到 17 亿美元,增速超过收入,营业利润率提升近 3 个百分点。连接分部调整后 EBITDA 同比增长 64%,达到 26 亿美元。AI 分部收入为 26 亿美元,环比增长 213%,同比增长 247%。增长主要来自新的云服务协议,以及 Grok 和 X 订阅收入的增长。广告收入环比增长 7%,我们彻底改造了广告平台技术,以启用 AI 功能并提升所有类型客户的自助服务能力。
P02423:02
In Q2, we entered into cloud services agreements providing access to compute capacity at our Colossus and Colossus 2 sites. The initial ramp from these agreements contributed $1.6 billion of incremental AI infrastructure revenue in the quarter. Total costs and expenses for the AI Segment rose $1.6 billion year-over-year, reflecting increased R&D, primarily due to higher infrastructure spend as we accelerated compute deployment. We meaningfully narrowed our AI Segment net operating loss to $1.3 billion and turned adjusted EBITDA positive for the segment in the second quarter at $1.1 billion. The incremental revenue from new hosting deals generated high incremental EBITDA margins as we monetized available compute capacity. We ended the second quarter with 1.4 gigawatts of nameplate compute up from one gigawatt in Q1 and 400 megawatts a year earlier. We expect to end this year at over two gigawatts of compute capacity.
第二季度,我们签订了云服务协议,提供 Colossus 和 Colossus 2 站点的算力使用权。这些协议的初期爬坡在本季度带来了 16 亿美元的新增 AI 基础设施收入。AI 分部的总成本和费用同比增加 16 亿美元,反映了研发的增加,主要是我们加快算力部署带来的基础设施支出增加。我们显著收窄了 AI 分部的经营亏损,降至 13 亿美元,该分部第二季度调整后 EBITDA 转正,为 11 亿美元。随着我们把可用算力变现,新的托管协议带来的增量收入产生了很高的增量 EBITDA 利润率。第二季度末,我们的标称算力为 1.4 吉瓦,高于第一季度的 1 吉瓦和一年前的 400 兆瓦。我们预计今年年底算力超过 2 吉瓦。
P02524:12
Total company capital expenditures in the second quarter were approximately $18.4 billion, of which roughly $15.8 billion supported AI compute infrastructure. The remainder funded ongoing Starship and launch infrastructure, satellite production, and global ground station expansion. Additionally, we paid out $856 million during the quarter under our spectrum credit agreement related to our pending EchoStar transaction. Our capital allocation priorities remain clear and disciplined. We plan to continue to invest aggressively in the three areas we believe generate the highest long-term returns: Starship development and production scale, next generation Starlink broadband and mobile constellations, and AI compute infrastructure. Across all three of these investments, we remain focused on capital efficiency, return on investment, and preservation of a strong investment-grade balance sheet. The second quarter was transformative from a capital markets perspective.
第二季度公司总资本开支约为 184 亿美元,其中约 158 亿美元用于 AI 算力基础设施。其余用于持续进行的 Starship 和发射基础设施、卫星生产以及全球地面站扩建。此外,本季度我们根据与待完成的 EchoStar 交易相关的频谱信贷协议支付了 8.56 亿美元。我们的资本配置优先顺序依然清晰且有纪律。我们计划继续积极投资于我们认为长期回报最高的三个领域:Starship 的开发和量产规模、下一代 Starlink 宽带和移动星座,以及 AI 算力基础设施。在这三项投资中,我们始终关注资本效率、投资回报,以及保持稳健的投资级资产负债表。从资本市场的角度看,第二季度具有变革意义。
P02625:16
We completed our initial public offering, raising approximately $85.7 billion in net proceeds, and followed that with a $25 billion inaugural investment-grade senior notes offering that was partially used to repay our $20 billion bridge loan. The senior notes were issued across five tranches with a weighted average interest rate of 5.855% and average maturity of 11.7 years. We ended the quarter with $100 billion of cash equivalents in marketable securities, and $47.5 billion in backlog. Looking ahead, we continue to see robust demand in all three of our business segments, but in particular in our cloud services arrangements. We see increasingly favorable economics with each agreement we sign, and as Elon mentioned, we expect the supply-demand imbalance in the compute market to continue. The current economics have translated into a less than one-year payback on our new capital deployments for compute.
我们完成了首次公开发行,募集净额约 857 亿美元,随后完成了首次 250 亿美元投资级优先票据发行,部分用于偿还我们 200 亿美元的过桥贷款。优先票据分五档发行,加权平均利率为 5.855%,平均期限 11.7 年。季末我们持有 1000 亿美元的现金等价物及有价证券,积压订单为 475 亿美元。展望未来,我们在三个业务分部都持续看到强劲需求,尤其是云服务合同。我们签下的每份协议经济条件都越来越有利,正如 Elon 提到的,我们预计算力市场的供需失衡会持续。目前的经济条件意味着我们新部署的算力资本投资回收期不到 1 年。
P02726:18
For example, in the first few weeks of the third quarter, we've already contracted an additional $6.7 billion of cloud services revenue over a six-month period that begins ramping starting in October of this year. We believe this puts us on a trajectory, including contribution from Cursor, to reach $100 billion of ARR, or annualized revenue run rate, by the end of this year, based on our expected revenue in the month of December of this year. With that, I'll turn the call back to Andrea.
例如,在第三季度的头几周,我们已经额外签下了 67 亿美元的云服务收入,期限 6 个月,从今年 10 月开始爬坡。我们相信,这让我们——包括 Cursor 的贡献——有望在今年年底达到 1000 亿美元的 ARR,也就是年化收入运行率,依据是我们预计今年 12 月的收入。下面我把电话交回给 Andrea。
P02826:54
Andrea WilliamsHead of Investor Relations
Thank you, Elon, Gwyn, and Bret. This concludes our prepared remarks. For today's Q&A session, we will take our first questions from the equity analysts. Please press *1 to join the question queue, and also please limit yourself to one question. Operator, please proceed with the queue.
谢谢 Elon、Gwyn 和 Bret。准备好的发言到此结束。今天的问答环节,我们先请股票分析师提问。请按 *1 加入提问队列,每人请只提一个问题。主持人,请开始。
问答环节
P02927:12
Operator
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现在开始问答环节。如果您想提问,请按星号 1 举手。如需撤回问题,请再按一次星号 1。提问时请拿起听筒以确保最佳音质。如果您在本地静音,请记得取消静音。请稍候,我们正在整理提问名单。第一个问题来自高盛的 Eric Sheridan。您的线路已开通,请提问。
P03027:48
Eric SheridanAnalyst, Goldman Sachs
Thanks so much for taking the question, and thanks for all the details in the prepared remarks. Maybe just one on the connectivity segment. Can you discuss the backlog of enterprise and government contracts in that segment of the business, and how we think about that backlog converting into revenue, and what that might mean for the pace and cadence of growth in the next couple of years? Thanks so much.
非常感谢回答问题,也感谢准备好的发言中提供的所有细节。我想问一个关于连接分部的问题。能否谈谈该分部企业和政府合同的积压订单,我们应如何理解这些积压订单转化为收入的过程,以及这对未来几年的增长速度和节奏意味着什么?非常感谢。
P03128:12
Gwynne ShotwellPresident and COO已校正
We are quite bullish on our enterprise activities. I mentioned a loan that we received from the government over $6 billion in contracts. You can look at those as tranches and beginnings of additional capability that we will bring online. Some of which we will have to compete, but fundamentally, we have the contracts in place to fulfill many phenomenologies, both the ones we've recently announced, as well as additional ones that we'll be working on going forward. Enterprise revenue is quite sticky. We have never lost an enterprise customer. They're quite happy with the Starlink capability that we have right now. Bret mentioned we are only 10% penetrated in the aviation industry, which definitely represents a lot of headroom for revenue going forward. Maritime, I think, Starlink opens up the TAM dramatically.
我们非常看好企业业务。我提到我们从政府那里获得了超过 60 亿美元的合同。你可以把这些看作是分批启动、并将陆续上线的新能力的开端。其中一些我们需要参与竞标,但从根本上说,我们已经有合同来实现许多种探测能力,既包括我们最近宣布的,也包括今后将要推进的其他项目。企业收入粘性很强。我们从未流失过一个企业客户。他们对我们现在的 Starlink 能力非常满意。Bret 提到我们在航空业的渗透率只有 10%,这无疑意味着未来收入有很大的增长空间。海事方面,我认为 Starlink 大大拓展了潜在市场规模。
P03229:16
Gwynne ShotwellPresident and COO已校正
Starlink offers the capability that ships that don't really have much connectivity right now because they can't afford VSATs. We can basically outfit those ships with Starlink Maritime. I'm quite bullish on enterprise, very bullish on government, and quite happy with the stickiness that we've seen in those markets.
Starlink 能为那些因为负担不起 VSAT 而现在几乎没有网络连接的船只提供连接能力。我们基本上可以给这些船装上 Starlink Maritime。我非常看好企业业务,极其看好政府业务,也对我们在这些市场看到的客户粘性非常满意。
P03329:39
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer已校正
Yeah. I'll just elaborate a little bit on that, which is that, obviously, in order to secure a large amount of enterprise revenue, you have to demonstrate a very high reliability, very high uptime. In the early days, Starlink did not have high uptime. There's a lot of enterprise customers, most enterprise customers, I'd say, that still have that maybe early Starlink experience where it was a little patchy. We actually were building up a large enterprise sales team just to go out there, meet with
是的。我再补充一点,显然,要获得大量企业收入,你必须展示非常高的可靠性和非常高的正常运行时间。早期 Starlink 的正常运行时间并不高。很多企业客户,我会说大多数企业客户,可能仍停留在早期 Starlink 有点不稳定的印象里。我们实际上一直在组建一支庞大的企业销售团队,就是要出去拜访
P03430:14
enterprise, basically corporate and government customers, show them the incredible uptime and low latency of the Starlink system today. They realize that they can actually treat Starlink as a primary provider, not sort of as a backup provider. This requires just going out there, talking to people, educating them about the current state of the Starlink system and where it's going. I would expect enterprise revenue to substantially exceed consumer revenue.
企业客户,基本上就是公司和政府客户,向他们展示如今 Starlink 系统惊人的正常运行时间和低延迟。他们会意识到可以把 Starlink 当作主要供应商,而不是备用供应商。这需要我们走出去,和人们交谈,让他们了解 Starlink 系统的现状和未来方向。我预计企业收入会大幅超过消费者收入。
P03530:53
Andrea WilliamsHead of Investor Relations
Next question, operator.
主持人,请下一个问题。
P03630:54
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Adam Jonas with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
下一个问题来自摩根士丹利的 Adam Jonas。您的线路已开通,请提问。
P03731:01
Adam JonasAnalyst, Morgan Stanley
Thanks. Elon, first one for you. Just confirming, you said you expect to be closer to 10 gigawatts of nameplate compute by end of 2027, closer to 10 than five. Do you have line of sight? How confident is your line of sight on permitting, chips, and turbines for that? I have a follow-up for Gwyn. Thanks.
谢谢。Elon,第一个问题问你。我想确认一下,你说预计到 2027 年底标称算力更接近 10 吉瓦,接近 10 而不是 5。你有清晰的路径吗?在许可、芯片和涡轮机方面,你对这条路径有多大把握?我还有一个后续问题问 Gwyn。谢谢。
P03831:24
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
We're actually aiming to far exceed that gigawatt number in terms of power online, power cooling, and electrical equipment. Our tentative target is to actually have 20 gigawatts at the power and cooling level online by the end of next year. Now, I don't think we're going to achieve 20 gigawatts, but we want to have a series of projects that cumulatively come to 20 gigawatts by the end of next year. Some of them won't pan out exactly on time, but I would expect that we'd still probably have, at the power plant level, something close to 15 gigawatts. Assuming that maybe a quarter of the projects take longer than expected. Our goal is to have far more power cooling and electrical equipment than we have GPUs. That's the logical thing to do, given the relative expense of GPUs versus balance of system.
在已上线的电力、电力与冷却以及电气设备方面,我们实际上的目标是远远超过这个吉瓦数。我们的初步目标是到明年年底在电力和冷却层面上线 20 吉瓦。我不认为我们会达到 20 吉瓦,但我们希望有一系列项目,到明年年底累计达到 20 吉瓦。其中一些不会完全按时完成,但假设大约四分之一的项目耗时超出预期,我预计在电厂层面我们仍然可能有接近 15 吉瓦。我们的目标是让电力、冷却和电气设备远多于 GPU。考虑到 GPU 与其余配套系统的相对成本,这是合乎逻辑的做法。
P03932:28
SpaceX as a company is incredibly good at hardware. In fact, I'd say probably outside of China, SpaceX and Tesla are the two best companies on Earth at hardware. Yeah, I think perhaps even including China. We're taking a small amount of the expertise that we use for rockets and satellites and applying that to scaling terrestrial data centers. We're finding that even a small amount of what we've learned building rockets, which are incredibly difficult, applied to data centers, yields tremendous benefits. Yeah, we expect to have far in excess of the power and cooling that's needed. Our understanding with NVIDIA is that we will receive a very significant percentage of their GPUs next year.
SpaceX 这家公司在硬件上非常强。事实上,我会说在中国以外,SpaceX 和特斯拉可能是地球上硬件做得最好的两家公司。是的,我想甚至包括中国。我们把用于火箭和卫星的一小部分专业知识用到扩建地面数据中心上。我们发现,即使只把制造火箭——这非常困难——中学到的一点点经验用到数据中心上,也会带来巨大好处。是的,我们预计电力和冷却会远超所需。我们与 NVIDIA 的共识是,明年我们将获得他们相当大比例的 GPU。
P04033:28
Adam JonasAnalyst, Morgan Stanley
Okay. Thanks, Elon. Gwyn, just a follow-up. You were recently asked what is one of the more underappreciated parts of the SpaceX investment story, you said robotics. Can you elaborate on why you believe that? How do robots fit into the SpaceX camp? Thanks, Gwyn.
好的。谢谢 Elon。Gwyn,一个后续问题。你最近被问到 SpaceX 投资故事中哪一部分最被低估,你说是机器人。能否展开谈谈你为什么这么认为?机器人如何融入 SpaceX 的体系?谢谢 Gwyn。
P04133:49
Gwynne ShotwellPresident and COO
Let me try to put something together for you. I think what I might have said is underappreciating the amount of connectivity that we will need going forward. I think robotics, especially robotics tied to AI, like for autos and humanoid robot, will dramatically increase the demand for connectivity. Dramatically. Elon talked about that in his remarks.
我试着整理一下。我想我当时说的可能是,人们低估了未来我们需要的连接量。我认为机器人,特别是与 AI 结合的机器人,比如汽车和人形机器人,将大幅增加对连接的需求。大幅增加。Elon 在发言中谈到了这一点。
P04234:18
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
You can think of our satellites as being robots.
你可以把我们的卫星看作机器人。
P04334:20
Gwynne ShotwellPresident and COO
Yes.
是的。
P04434:20
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
They're autonomous, and they do not need servicing. In the sort of what may seem the far future but will come faster than you think, using robots on the Moon to scale up manufacturing on the Moon, which I know it sounds like super sci-fi right now, but it's going to happen, will enable us to build the mass accelerator on the Moon. If you have a mass accelerator on the Moon, and you have solar and radiator production on the Moon, you can I know this sounds totally nuts, but you can probably scale to 1,000 times the economy of Earth in terms of intelligence launched to space. Probably maybe even a million times. We are going to land a lot of tonnage on the Moon. We're going to build the factories on the Moon. The robots will be helpful with that.
它们是自主的,不需要维护。在看似遥远但会比你想象的更快到来的未来,用机器人在月球上扩大制造——我知道这现在听起来像科幻,但它一定会发生——将让我们能够在月球上建造质量加速器。如果月球上有质量加速器,又能在月球上生产太阳能板和散热器,你就可以——我知道这听起来完全疯狂——就发射到太空的智能而言,大概可以扩大到地球经济规模的 1,000 倍。甚至可能是 100 万倍。我们将在月球上着陆大量物资。我们将在月球上建工厂。机器人会对此有帮助。
P04535:23
It's like, well, how much intelligence would you like as we grow towards being a Kardashev 2 scale civilization?
就是说,当我们向卡尔达肖夫 2 级文明发展时,你想要多少智能?
P04635:33
Gwynne ShotwellPresident and COO
Did that get that for you, Adam? Maybe he's done.
Adam,这回答了你的问题吗?可能他已经问完了。
P04735:40
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of John Godin with Citigroup. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
下一个问题来自花旗的 John Godin。您的线路已开通,请提问。
P04835:48
John GodynAnalyst, Citigroup
Hey, thanks for taking my question. One of the hallmarks of SpaceX to date is how efficiently the organization has used capital so far in its journey. It's also no secret that the capital needs are significant to support your vision from here. Obviously, the company's moving fast, I was hoping you could talk a bit more about the CapEx outlook across the segments, touch upon any areas where buying versus building might accelerate growth. The mobile strategy obviously comes to mind there. Any related thoughts on capital needs for next steps in extreme vertical integration like Terafab, anything that's needed to support future growth. Thanks.
嗨,谢谢回答我的问题。SpaceX 迄今为止的标志性特点之一,就是在发展过程中对资本的高效利用。同样众所周知,要实现你们今后的愿景需要大量资本。显然公司发展很快,我希望你们能多谈谈各分部的资本开支展望,以及哪些领域通过收购而非自建可能加速增长。移动业务战略显然是一个例子。对于 Terafab 这类极致垂直整合的下一步所需资本,以及支持未来增长所需的任何投入,有什么想法?谢谢。
P04936:28
Bret JohnsenCFO
Yeah, no, I appreciate the question. I think we are very proud of how we have managed capital allocation over the years, for sure. I think we are continuing down that path, right? If you look at it, we have been very efficient to date, and I think we'll continue to be. If you look at the rest of this year, to answer specifically on CapEx, I think you should probably think that the next two quarters are very similar to the current quarter from a CapEx level perspective. I do think, as you look longer term, I think CapEx really, I think from our perspective, all CapEx is not the same, right?
好的,感谢这个问题。我认为我们对多年来的资本配置管理确实非常自豪。我认为我们会沿着这条路继续走下去。你看,到目前为止我们一直非常高效,我认为我们会继续保持。具体到资本开支,就今年剩余时间而言,你可以认为接下来两个季度的资本开支水平与本季度非常接近。从更长期来看,我认为在我们看来,并不是所有资本开支都一样,对吧?
P05037:08
What we're seeing right now is a situation where we're able to deploy, specifically on the AI compute side, we're able to deploy capital in such a way that we're getting less than a one-year payback. It's almost like your capital is becoming almost an item that you would put otherwise in COGS because it's moving so quickly and as far as monetization and moving into revenue. That's different than, I would say, historically on the SpaceX level, where we're building assets that are going to benefit us from launch sites for the next couple of decades. We certainly manage for optimizing ROI on our capital all the time from that perspective.
我们现在看到的情况是,特别是在 AI 算力方面,我们部署资本的方式可以实现不到 1 年的回收期。由于变现和转化为收入的速度如此之快,这些资本几乎变成了你原本会计入营业成本的项目。这与 SpaceX 过去的情况不同,过去我们建造的资产,比如发射场,会在未来几十年里给我们带来收益。从这个角度看,我们当然始终在优化资本的投资回报。
P05137:49
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
I'll add a little bit to that. As Bret mentioned, we are expecting to reach $100 billion+ ARR in December of this year. It's probably also worth mentioning that our internal projections for reaching $1 trillion in revenue, not ARR, but revenue, have moved up from 2031 to 2030. Prior to the IPO, the financial projections we had were reaching $1 trillion in revenue in 2031. We now expect that to be in 2030. There's a non-zero chance of that being in 2029.
我补充一点。正如 Bret 提到的,我们预计今年 12 月达到 1000 亿美元以上的 ARR。可能也值得一提的是,我们内部对达到 1 万亿美元收入——不是 ARR,而是收入——的预测已从 2031 年提前到 2030 年。IPO 之前,我们的财务预测是 2031 年收入达到 1 万亿美元。我们现在预计在 2030 年。在 2029 年实现的可能性也不为零。
P05238:31
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Ronald Epstein with Bank of America. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
下一个问题来自美国银行的 Ronald Epstein。您的线路已开通,请提问。
P05338:38
Ronald EpsteinAnalyst, Bank of America
Hey, good evening, everybody. Could you walk through what you learned on Starship Launch 13? What was better than expected? What was worse? How do we think about this in the journey to rapid reusability, the heat shields, so on and so forth?
大家晚上好。能否讲讲你们从 Starship 第 13 次发射中学到了什么?哪些比预期好?哪些更差?在迈向快速复用的过程中,我们该如何看待这一点,比如隔热罩等等?
P05439:01
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
Sure. Actually, Flight 13, I was a little worried about that Flight 13, because you think about Apollo 13, things went wrong on that flight. This flight actually went incredibly well. The heat shield appears to be very robust. The ship is still floating in the ocean. We expect to recover the ship and bring it back for analysis. I'd say things look very good. That's why we, assuming we receive regulatory approval to do so, will attempt to catch the ship with the tower on the next flight, which is tentatively scheduled for the end of this month. We expect the cadence of flights to be increasing rapidly, and probably a year from now, we will be doing at least one flight a day, possibly more.
当然。其实,第 13 次飞行,我当时有点担心,因为你会想到阿波罗 13 号,那次飞行出了问题。而这次飞行实际上非常顺利。隔热罩看起来非常坚固。飞船现在还漂浮在海上。我们预计会回收飞船并带回来分析。我会说情况看起来非常好。这就是为什么在获得监管批准的前提下,我们将在下一次飞行中尝试用发射塔捕获飞船,下一次飞行暂定在本月底。我们预计飞行频率会迅速提高,大概一年后,我们每天至少会有 1 次飞行,可能更多。
P05540:04
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Doug Anmuth with J.P. Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
下一个问题来自摩根大通的 Doug Anmuth。您的线路已开通,请提问。
P05640:12
Doug AnmuthAnalyst, JPMorgan
Thanks so much for taking the questions. Elon, can you elaborate on the key unlocks from leveraging your rockets and satellite expertise just in accelerating the pace of compute build-out? Totally appreciate the $6.7 billion in incremental compute deals. Can you talk more about just how you expect the supply-demand environment to persist going forward and whether you'll be able to keep this kind of premium pricing for these deals and sustainability? Thanks.
非常感谢回答问题。Elon,能否详细谈谈利用火箭和卫星专长来加快算力建设的关键突破点?非常认可新增的 67 亿美元算力协议。能否再谈谈你预计供需环境会如何持续,以及这类协议能否保持这种溢价定价,是否可持续?谢谢。
P05740:47
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
Sure. Well, as the saying goes, normally they would say, like, "This ain't rocket science." Well, actually, rocket science is literally our daily business. Rocket science is a idiomatic expression for extreme technological difficulty, and there's a reason for it, because let me tell you what rockets desperately want to do every flight. They desperately want to blow themselves into tiny pieces. The engineering struggle is to convince the rocket not to blow itself into tiny pieces and actually deliver payload to orbit. You'll note that some of our competitors do in fact blow their rockets up. This does not mean they're incapable. In fact, I think our competitors are very smart people, but despite being very smart, the rockets still blow up.
当然。俗话说,人们通常会说“这又不是火箭科学”。而火箭科学恰恰就是我们的日常业务。“火箭科学”是用来形容极高技术难度的习语,这是有原因的,因为我告诉你火箭每次飞行都拼命想做什么。它们拼命想把自己炸成碎片。工程上的难题就是让火箭别把自己炸碎,而是真正把载荷送入轨道。你会注意到,我们的一些竞争对手确实把火箭炸了。这并不说明他们无能。事实上,我认为我们的竞争对手都是非常聪明的人,但尽管非常聪明,火箭还是会爆炸。
P05841:37
Now if you apply a small amount of the engineering skill that goes into making gigantic rockets reach orbit on a regular basis reliably to terrestrial data centers, this is like, frankly, the New York Yankees going in and playing a little league team, and it is kind of ridiculous, frankly. The terrestrial data centers are a trivial problem compared to making gigantic reusable rockets, which are launched frequently. The Starlink satellites also are like alien-level technology. There is still nothing that compares to our Starlink V2 satellites, and our Starlink V3 satellites are really more than an order of magnitude better than our Starlink V2 satellites. You take a small percentage of that engineering applied to terrestrial data centers, and you get an amazing outcome. That is what we are seeing. Yeah.
现在,如果你把让巨型火箭定期可靠入轨所需的一小部分工程能力用到地面数据中心上,坦白说,这就像纽约洋基队去和少年棒球队比赛,坦白说有点荒谬。与制造频繁发射的巨型可复用火箭相比,地面数据中心是微不足道的问题。Starlink 卫星也像是外星级别的技术。至今仍没有任何东西能与我们的 Starlink V2 卫星相比,而我们的 Starlink V3 卫星又比 V2 好上一个数量级以上。把其中一小部分工程能力用到地面数据中心上,就会得到惊人的结果。这就是我们正在看到的。是的。
P05942:46
Now, from a monetization standpoint, if you say, what is my best guess for monetization per watt of, say, Rubin? My guess would be somewhere between $30 and $50. This is just a guess. Take a guess as a guess. What we are seeing with AI is that the intelligence per watt is increasing rapidly. That means the usefulness per watt is increasing rapidly. I think anyone who is a close follower of the AI arena, you start seeing smaller and smaller models do more and more amazing things. There is an argument that we may get to the point where even an H100 is able to deliver useful AI that is comparable to a human engineer. Based on current trends, I think that is not an impossible outcome. It is like, how useful would that be? I think the usefulness is going to be extremely high.
从变现的角度看,如果你问我对比如 Rubin 每瓦变现的最佳猜测,我的猜测是在 30 到 50 美元之间。这只是个猜测。就把它当作猜测。我们在 AI 上看到的是,每瓦智能正在快速提高。这意味着每瓦的有用性在快速提高。我想任何密切关注 AI 领域的人都会看到,越来越小的模型在做越来越惊人的事。有一种观点认为,我们可能会达到这样的地步:即使是一块 H100 也能提供媲美人类工程师的有用 AI。按照目前的趋势,我认为这并非不可能。那会有多有用?我认为有用性会极高。
P06044:05
If you think of where was AI 12 months ago, 12 months ago would have been August last year. That would have been before the advent of Claude 3.5, which I think should be considered one of the milestones and a credit to Anthropic of, I would say a shock to the system, was how good Claude 3.5 was. That was 10 months ago, basically. If you say, "Well, what about an AI two years ago?" I think, well, an AI two years ago feels like something that should be in a museum, okay? Where you are like, "You are not going to believe this, but two years ago, this was AI." This relic. I think, by the end of next year, it is not clear to me that there is anything that digital, at least, that AI will not be able to do based on the current rate of improvement.
如果你想想 12 个月前的 AI 是什么样,12 个月前就是去年 8 月。那时还没有 Claude 3.5,我认为它应该被视为里程碑之一,也是 Anthropic 的功劳,我会说 Claude 3.5 好到让人震惊。基本上那是 10 个月前。如果你说:“那 2 年前的 AI 呢?”我觉得 2 年前的 AI 感觉像是该进博物馆的东西。你会说:“你不会相信的,2 年前这就是 AI。”这件古董。我认为,按照目前的进步速度,到明年年底,至少在数字领域,我不确定还有什么是 AI 做不到的。
P06145:08
Look at the rate at which logic and memory is being produced. One must always consider the limiting factor here. Limiting factor currently is memory. The memory output is increasing by around 20% per year. Now, normally, that would be fantastically fast and amazing for any large mature industry. Ask yourself, is the demand increasing by 20% a year? No, the demand is increasing by 200% a year, maybe higher. If you have got demand increasing much faster than supply, Economics 101 would suggest that the price increases. It does not decrease.
看看逻辑芯片和存储芯片的生产速度。人必须始终考虑制约因素。目前的制约因素是内存。内存产量每年增长约 20%。对任何大型成熟行业来说,这通常已经是非常快、非常了不起的了。问问自己,需求是每年增长 20% 吗?不,需求每年增长 200%,可能更高。如果需求增长远快于供给,经济学 101 会告诉你价格会上涨,而不是下降。
P06246:04
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Edison Yu with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
下一个问题来自德意志银行的 Edison Yu。您的线路已开通,请提问。
P06346:11
Edison YuAnalyst, Deutsche Bank
Hi, good evening. Thank you for taking our question. Wanted to come back on the comment about the $100 billion in ARR. Is there any way you can unpack that a little bit and perhaps kind of what it takes to get there? In relation to that, Elon, I know you mentioned you pulled the revenue target forward by a year. Can you maybe call out maybe a few things that gave you this extra confidence? Thank you.
嗨,晚上好。谢谢回答我们的问题。我想再问问 1000 亿美元 ARR 的说法。能否稍微拆解一下,说说要达到这个目标需要什么?与此相关,Elon,我知道你提到把收入目标提前了一年。能否说说哪几件事让你更有信心?谢谢。
P06446:43
Bret JohnsenCFO
Well, on the unpacking, I think that the key there is it's really growth in all three of the business segments, but the biggest piece is, and we already talked about additional business we've already closed in the first couple of weeks of July on the AI cloud services side. Certainly, as you know, we've already announced some previous deals with Google and Anthropic that start to ramp either later this quarter or in October. There's a lot of momentum from that side of the business as well as we're seeing strength in our own models and Cursor coming into the fold as well. It's really all three segments that are driving that, but the cloud services piece being the largest contributor of that piece.
关于拆解,我认为关键在于三个业务分部都在增长,但最大的一块是——我们已经谈到 7 月头几周在 AI 云服务方面已经签下的新增业务。当然,如你所知,我们之前已经宣布了与谷歌和 Anthropic 的一些协议,它们将在本季度晚些时候或 10 月开始爬坡。这方面业务势头很强,同时我们自己的模型也表现强劲,Cursor 也即将加入。确实是三个分部共同推动,但云服务是其中贡献最大的部分。
P06547:33
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
Yes. To be clear, the $100 billion ARR in December is not a question mark. That's what we'd achieve if we basically did nothing. I think it may be higher than that. It probably will be higher than that. I think in terms of the relative percentage of breakdown of what revenue generates what, I think the breakdown's probably similar to what we shared pre-IPO. It's just happening a year sooner. I will go back to what I said and what Gwyn and Bret mentioned earlier, which is that we do expect a very rapid increase in revenue from Starlink communications from the V3 satellite. Like I said, we're more than 10 times the capability of the V2 satellite, and we'll be launching 10 times as many, and we have the direct-to-cell constellation going up as well.
是的。说清楚一点,12 月达到 1000 亿美元 ARR 不是个问号。那是我们基本上什么都不做也能达到的水平。我认为可能会更高。很可能会更高。至于各类收入的相对占比,我想大概与我们 IPO 前分享的类似。只是提前了一年。我再回到我以及 Gwyn 和 Bret 前面说过的,我们确实预计 V3 卫星会让 Starlink 通信收入非常快速地增长。正如我说的,它的能力是 V2 卫星的 10 倍以上,我们发射的数量也会是 10 倍,而且直连手机星座也在部署。
P06648:44
Some of you were looking at the historical growth of Starlink based on V2, but we have a step change, a massive step change happening with the V3 satellite.
你们中有些人在看基于 V2 的 Starlink 历史增长,但 V3 卫星将带来阶跃式的变化,巨大的阶跃。
P06749:04
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of John Hodulik with UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
下一个问题来自瑞银的 John Hodulik。您的线路已开通,请提问。
P06849:12
John HodulikAnalyst, UBS
Great. Thank you. Two things. First for Elon, just following up on that comment on Starlink Mobile. When do you expect to start launching the V2s? Can you talk about your appetite for additional spectrum after the EchoStar deal? Just how big do you think that the opportunity is in mobile? If you could compare that to the broadband business, that would be great. Secondly, just a quick follow-up on the compute. Looks like you have a big ramp in compute coming in 2027. How should we think of that capacity being leased versus used to train Grok? I guess, in other words, how much of that has to be withheld to train Grok versus that can be leased out to third parties? Thanks.
好的,谢谢。两件事。第一个问 Elon,接着 Starlink Mobile 的话题。你预计什么时候开始发射 V2?在 EchoStar 交易之后,你们对更多频谱的兴趣有多大?你认为移动业务的机会有多大?如果能与宽带业务比较一下就更好了。第二,关于算力的一个简短追问。看起来 2027 年算力会大幅爬坡。我们应如何理解这些算力中用于出租与用于训练 Grok 的比例?换句话说,有多少必须留给 Grok 训练,有多少可以出租给第三方?谢谢。
P06949:56
Gwynne ShotwellPresident and COO
I'll go ahead and take the Starlink mobile questions, John. We're going to start flying the next generation Starlink mobile satellite. It's confusing. It's actually the second version, as opposed to the V3, which is the next generation broadband satellite. We're going to start flying those next year. Currently, the system that we're operating uses about five megahertz of bandwidth, and we operate that through local telco providers. We have 65 megahertz of bandwidth available to us through the EchoStar spectrum, which gives massive increase in capability. Another way to look at it is we will also probably 10x the number of satellites. Simplifying, you could look at the Starlink mobile leveraging the next generation satellite and the EchoStar spectrum as being 100 times better, 10 times 10 better than what we've got right now. It's a pretty decent service.
John,我来回答 Starlink Mobile 的问题。我们将开始发射下一代 Starlink 移动卫星。这有点让人困惑。它实际上是第二版,而 V3 是下一代宽带卫星。我们将在明年开始发射它们。目前我们运营的系统使用大约 5 MHz 的带宽,是通过当地电信运营商运营的。通过 EchoStar 的频谱,我们将有 65 MHz 的带宽可用,能力将大幅提升。另一个角度是,我们可能还会把卫星数量增加到 10 倍。简单来说,借助下一代卫星和 EchoStar 频谱的 Starlink Mobile 可以看作比我们现在的好 100 倍,即 10 倍乘以 10 倍。这是相当不错的服务。
P07051:03
You can do voice and video calls over Signal and WhatsApp. We anticipate really strong uptake of that capability. As far as revenue, I'm just going to take a very high level kind of top-down. The big three in the U.S., AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile, roughly between them, $600 billion a year. I anticipate us to be able to acquire quite a few of their customers because I think our service will be better. We will eliminate dead zones leveraging basically the satellites in orbit. It'll be better during any sort of natural disaster because surprisingly, even though space movies make space look super dangerous, it's a pretty quiescent environment. I'm quite excited about Starlink Mobile going forward. We will start to fly the satellites next year, and we will start providing service end of next year.
你可以通过 Signal 和 WhatsApp 进行语音和视频通话。我们预计这项功能会非常受欢迎。至于收入,我只从很高的层面自上而下来看。美国三大运营商 AT&T、Verizon 和 T-Mobile 合计每年大约 6000 亿美元。我预计我们能从他们那里争取到相当多的客户,因为我认为我们的服务会更好。我们将基本上利用在轨卫星消除信号盲区。在任何自然灾害中它也会表现更好,因为出乎意料的是,尽管太空电影让太空看起来极度危险,它其实是一个相当平静的环境。我对 Starlink Mobile 的未来非常兴奋。我们将在明年开始发射卫星,并在明年年底开始提供服务。
P07152:06
Operator
You're next.
下一位。
P07252:07
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
I guess I should elaborate on. We obviously have more than one question being asked here.
我想我应该补充一下。这里显然不止问了一个问题。
P07352:12
Operator
Yeah
是的
P07452:14
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
Obviously if somebody's trying to create a financial model, some of these questions you have to plug in some number here. For Grok training, we do expect the percentage of compute that we use internally for Grok training to decrease over time and to have far more of the compute used for inference, or for renting training and inference compute to others. I would expect maybe 10% of our compute to be used for Grok training, something like that.
显然,如果有人在建财务模型,这些问题中有些你得填入某个数字。对于 Grok 训练,我们确实预计内部用于 Grok 训练的算力占比会随时间下降,更多算力将用于推理,或者出租给其他公司做训练和推理。我预计大概 10% 的算力用于 Grok 训练,大致如此。
P07552:49
Operator
Your next question comes from the line of Kat Kunnarelli with Evercore ISI. Your line is open. Please go ahead.
下一个问题来自 Evercore ISI 的 Kat Kunnarelli。您的线路已开通,请提问。
P07652:58
Kutgun MaralAnalyst, Evercore ISI
Good afternoon, and thanks for taking the question. I had a follow-up on Starlink Mobile and your ambitions in the U.S. market in particular. I think a lot of us are trying to better understand what a U.S. direct-to-consumer service could look like. To become a true fourth U.S. carrier would imply well over $100 billion of mobile CapEx over time, much of it auction spectrum and greenfield infrastructure. How are you weighing that potential build plan against the MVNO or acquisition path? What's your internal base case on how far you'll take this ambition? Is this all a little bit too premature at this point? Thank you.
下午好,谢谢回答问题。我想追问 Starlink Mobile 以及你们在美国市场的具体抱负。我想很多人都想更好地了解美国直接面向消费者的服务会是什么样子。要成为真正的美国第四大运营商,意味着长期要投入远超 1000 亿美元的移动业务资本开支,其中很大一部分是拍卖频谱和新建基础设施。你们如何权衡这一潜在的自建计划与虚拟运营商或收购路径?你们内部对这一抱负会推进到什么程度的基准假设是什么?现在谈这些是不是有点为时过早?谢谢。
P07753:39
Gwynne ShotwellPresident and COO
The spectrum that we purchased from EchoStar does have terrestrial components, we definitely intend to build out the terrestrial component. You will have not only the capacity from the satellites themselves, but you will have a build-out of the terrestrial, basically the hardware and systems necessary to make a true mobile service exactly what you want it to be. I'm not going to talk about the CapEx for that. Well, I don't want to say it's immature. I'm just going to say I'm not going to talk about the CapEx for that right now. Let me give a little hint, and that is you could put a cellular base station on basically the gear that holds a Starlink broadband dish. You can have kind of these little femtocells around the country, and you deploy that as you need it.
我们从 EchoStar 购买的频谱确实包含地面部分,我们肯定打算建设地面部分。你不仅会有来自卫星本身的容量,还会有地面建设,基本上就是让真正的移动服务完全达到你想要的样子所需的硬件和系统。我不打算谈这方面的资本开支。嗯,我不想说它还不成熟。我只是说现在不打算谈这方面的资本开支。给一点提示:你基本上可以把蜂窝基站装在支撑 Starlink 宽带天线的设备上。你可以在全国各地布置这些小型飞蜂窝,按需部署。
P07854:39
You don't have to necessarily spend $10 or many billions of dollars in low-band spectrum all upfront before you deploy your system. That's why I don't want to talk about the CapEx for building out the terrestrial, because we have a lot of really great and new ideas for how we're going to do that, and I think it will be quite CapEx efficient.
你不一定非得在部署系统之前就预先花 10 亿或数百亿美元购买低频段频谱。这就是我不想谈地面建设资本开支的原因,因为我们对如何做这件事有很多很棒的新想法,我认为它在资本开支上会相当高效。
P07955:02
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
Yeah. That point is probably worth just a few more words. This is quite an important point. Instead of having to deploy these very expensive and difficult-to-locate large cellular base stations, we feel reasonably confident that we can deploy a large number of sort of small stations essentially. They're really just Starlink dishes that also provide connectivity in the mobile spectrum bands, and have them be all over the place. The Starlink antennas are located on the roofs of houses and businesses, so they've got a sort of clear view for providing connectivity directly to cell phones on the ground. In fact, providing connectivity that is, we think, probably better and higher bandwidth than what is currently available from cellular providers. This is an important point.
是的。这一点可能值得多说几句。这是很重要的一点。我们不必部署那些非常昂贵、难以选址的大型蜂窝基站,我们相当有信心可以部署大量本质上是小型的站点。它们其实就是同时在移动频段提供连接的 Starlink 天线,并且遍布各地。Starlink 天线安装在住宅和商业楼宇的屋顶上,视野开阔,可以直接为地面上的手机提供连接。事实上,我们认为它提供的连接可能比目前蜂窝运营商的更好、带宽更高。这是很重要的一点。
P08056:13
Andrea WilliamsHead of Investor Relations
Thank you. With the remaining time, we would like to cover some of the questions from individual shareholders. I will read them aloud. We got a lot of questions on the progress for Starship human landing system. Can we provide any updates?
谢谢。剩下的时间,我们想回答一些个人股东的问题。我来念一下。我们收到很多关于 Starship 载人登月系统进展的问题。能否提供一些最新情况?
P08156:30
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
For Starship, obviously we need to make Starship super reliable for satellites before we put any people on board. We are expecting to have a very high launch rate and thus achieve a level of safety needed for humans very quickly, probably by the end of next year.
对于 Starship,显然我们需要先让它在发射卫星时非常可靠,然后才让人登上去。我们预计会有非常高的发射频率,从而很快达到载人所需的安全水平,可能在明年年底之前。
P08256:55
Gwynne ShotwellPresident and COO
As far as the milestones go, propellant transfer in orbit is critical to both our internal SpaceX as well as our HLS ambitions. Artemis III mission is next year. That's where we will dock with the Orion spacecraft. We will follow that up with a direct to lunar cargo mission, uncrewed. We want to put boots on the ground, boots on the moon in 2028.
就里程碑而言,在轨推进剂转移对 SpaceX 内部和我们的 HLS(载人登月系统)目标都至关重要。阿尔忒弥斯 3 号任务在明年。届时我们将与经赛号飞船对接。之后我们将进行一次无人的直接登月货运任务。我们希望在 2028 年让人类登上月球。
P08357:30
Andrea WilliamsHead of Investor Relations
For the Cursor acquisition, there were several questions asking about the combined product roadmap for the companies once it closes.
关于 Cursor 收购,有几个问题问到收购完成后两家公司合并的产品路线图。
P08457:43
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
I think we'll leave that. We'll probably make some announcement or discussion of that outside of the earnings call. We don't want to jump the gun on regulators for the closing acquisition, we're trying to get the acquisition closed as quickly as possible. I think we're pretty close to that, we have to be wary of sort of jumping the gun on regulatory closures.
我想这个先不谈。我们可能会在财报电话会之外发布公告或进行讨论。我们不想在收购完成上抢在监管机构前面,我们正努力尽快完成收购。我认为已经相当接近了,我们必须小心不要抢在监管批准前面。
P08558:10
Andrea WilliamsHead of Investor Relations
Next question from the individual shareholders. Once you start launching broadband V3 satellites, how quickly will they translate into improved Starlink service?
下一个来自个人股东的问题。一旦开始发射 V3 宽带卫星,多快能转化为 Starlink 服务的改善?
P08658:22
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
We'd need some critical mass of V3 satellites, probably at least on the order of about 1,000. Probably that's approximately second quarter next year would be, I think, where we'd get to that point.
我们需要 V3 卫星达到一定的临界规模,可能至少在 1,000 颗左右。我想大约是明年第二季度会达到这个水平。
P08758:47
Andrea WilliamsHead of Investor Relations
Our last question, is the heat shield the hardest remaining problem for Starship?
最后一个问题,隔热罩是 Starship 剩下的最难问题吗?
P08858:55
Elon MuskCEO and Chief Engineer
Look, I don't want to jinx it or anything, but I think I'd consider the heat shield problem solved at this point. We want to take a close look at the ship that is currently floating in the ocean. All indications from data and our visual inspection suggest that we have solved the heat shield problem, which is arguably the single biggest problem. That doesn't mean we won't make improvements to the heat shield. Of course, we'll continue to make improvements to the heat shield, but I would say that we do not see any technical obstacles at this point to achieving full and rapid reusability.
听着,我不想乌鸦嘴,但我认为目前可以认为隔热罩问题已经解决了。我们想仔细检查现在还漂在海上的那艘飞船。数据和目视检查的所有迹象都表明,我们已经解决了隔热罩问题,这可以说是最大的单一问题。这并不意味着我们不会再改进隔热罩。当然,我们会继续改进隔热罩,但我会说,目前我们看不到实现完全和快速复用的任何技术障碍。
P08959:49
Andrea WilliamsHead of Investor Relations
Thank you. This concludes today's call. You can reach us at ir.spacex.com, and we will see you next quarter. Cheers.
谢谢。今天的电话会到此结束。可以通过 ir.spacex.com 联系我们,我们下个季度见。再见。
P09059:57
Operator
This concludes today's call. Thank you for attending. You may now disconnect.
今天的电话会到此结束。感谢参加。现在可以挂断了。